Locust Valley Central School District
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Posted by Admin at Saturday, September 10, 2011 5:04 AM 
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OK...so my orig post was deleted
Lets hear it for the LVCSD IB programme
Every IB student in 12th grade could NOT name the vice president of the USA!!!!
Shocking????
Glad we are spending 200 grand plus on this rigorous programme
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It was a great win for both Jr Varsity and Varsity football today
Good job to every player coach
Remove the IB programme and put that 200 grand into the sports programs
You can build a stronger individual with sports then with IB
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Actually, LVCSD is charging the taxpayers more than $200,000 for IB - the cost is closer to $300,000 when you add in all of the IB student registration fees, IB exams, IB advisor stipends, etc.
We the taxpayers cannot afford $35,000 per student, especially when all LVCSD is producing is mediocrity.
No offense to LV Football, but I don't want to see more money go to sports. I'd like to see the annual budget REDUCED.
Let's go for PAY TO PLAY (not just sports). It's big in other parts of the country.
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This school district is so bent on spending
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@Lisa "We the taxpayers cannot afford $35,000 per student, especially when all LVCSD is producing is mediocrity."
Does that include your daughter too?
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Lifer,
Not gonna bite on your personal attack. Discuss the topic.
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@ Lisa, Nothing personal, just fact checking. Beside, why you think it is "attack"? What's wrong with having an average kid? Are you an elitist?
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Lifer,
Yes, there is something wrong with having an average kid. Average doesn't cut it anymore in the real world. Go over the bridge for once in your life and go see for yourself. It's lazy parenting attitudes like yours that keep children from achieving great things in school and in life in general. You can call Lisa whatever you want, but it sounds to me that she is on top of her childrens' education. In the end, is there really anything more important??
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Lisa certainly is on top of her child's education and on top of the taxpaypers back by having us pay for her own child going to BOCES. Don't get me wrong. I am not against sending kids to BOCES. I am against someone then turns around and complains about per child cost high. I will tell you, if everyone child is sent to BOCES like Lisa's, the per child cost will be even higher. Hers is above the "average" per child cost.
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Wish LVCSD superintendent would learn from an all American kid that IB is not all that and that IB is not needed to grow a child into a worldly, well rounded, educated adult
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CpON8VrRU&feature=player_embedded
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Pay to Play is the dumbest idea ever.
Children that want to participate in sports or clubs pay to participate?
That may work in other parts of the country because their school taxes are nothing.
Asking the tax payers to pay their taxes then asking them to pay additional costs when their children want to participate in an after school program is insane.
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Thank you, Patriot.
Allow me to blow "Lifer's" mind .... my SON (a 2001 LVHS graduate) also attended the LI School for Performing Arts! OMG! LVCSD sent BOTH of my children there!!! But guess what? Over the years, I also paid for private music, voice and dance lessons for my children. I would have gladly "paid to play" to send my children to LIHSA as it was an opportunity that they had to audition for and one they benefited tremendously from. Our kids had to purchase $50 tap shoes for the musicals, pay NYSSMA fees, $60 a pop for private lessons because LVCSD doesn't "sponsor" NYSSMA participants, contributed a dinner for the cast during tech week each year, fundraised for the Disney trip which is no more ... etc. My son was fortunate in that the baritone horn was one of the "free" instruments and I purchased a trumpet for my daughter, but most kids have to RENT their band instruments. That is truly "pay to play"!
I also PAID for my daughter's AP exams. So - in order to keep taxes from going up any higher, I don't see any reason why parents shouldn't pay for sports uniforms along with a transportation fee. You want your kid to take IB? Pay an extra $2500 or so to help cover the ridiculous unnecessary cost. Why should only the music/theater students be consistently hit with extra fees?
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@ Lisa,
Did your children took the school's Driver's Ed? Should taxpayers pay for that?
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LVCSD budget is huge
I think the BOE can cut but asking parents to pay additional costs when parents already pay taxes is asking too much.
Sports and music or theater are programs that should not be "pay to play"
Actually the BOE should write a bill asking congress to make sports a mandated class and when the budget fails sports should NOT be one of those programs that gets cut
It is a national health care goal to reduce childhood obesity and an 1 hour gym class every other day is not sufficient to reach the goal
I have seen grossly over weight children in LVCSD that have joined a sport and have dramatically reduced in size.
Imagine how that child because of sports has decreased his/her likely hood of heart disease and diabetes
Parents could pay for jerseys and equipment
And parents do pay for equipment with the exception of football
Although I had one child take drivers ed I don't think that this school district should pay for it. Drivers Ed should be an additional cost
How about cutting some bussing
Drop the IB program
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was there a public board meeting friday night? did anyone go? what was it about?
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Just checked the District site:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_of_Education/BOE_9-16-11.pdf
Other than that, there is nothing.
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I believe the last meeting was Wednesday 9/14, the next is October 6th.
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just talked to someone who received a meeting notice from pta. the board had a "public" meeting last friday night.
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that is a terrific evening to pick if true disclosure and transparency is your goal....
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what transparency? this is the first time the board ever had a meeting on friday night as far as i remember.
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5 days later, still don't know what happened. no one is allowed to talk about it.
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While we're at it, what about the bonuses all of the administrators received? We have no money for field trips anymore but they can sneakily give out "Administrative Merit Awards".
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keep passing the budget folks! show them that you are happy with what is going on....
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It amazes me that the board members are prohibited by the board officers from talking about what happened in a public meeting five nights ago. What are they hiding?
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According to the Board Actions from June, administrative bonuses were given before the new board took over.
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It gets better. The secret "public" meeting last Friday night was attended by all three new Board members.
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Board Announces Contract Settlement with LVSEA
‘Fair and Reasonable’ Settlement Helps District Respond to Financial Challenges
The Board of Education of the Locust Valley CSD and the Locust Valley School Employees Association (LVSEA) have approved a new four-year contract to replace the agreement that expired at the end of June 2010. The new contract will be in force through June 30, 2014, and retroactively includes the 2010-11 school year.
“We are all aware of the financial challenges and uncertainties that school districts and taxpayers continue to face, so I want to thank our teaching professionals for working with us to craft an agreement both parties believe is fair and reasonable,” said Mr. Jack Dolce, President of the Board of Education. “In the end, we have settled upon an agreement that helps the district respond in a better way to the challenges of decreasing revenues, new legislation limiting the tax levy increases, and ongoing taxpayer concerns over the level of school taxes.”
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I will tell my husband that I will have to start going to Friday night board meetings. See what I missed this time!
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Let's just put the idiotic comments about the BoE meeting to bed right now. The District's announcement makes it perfectly clear to anyone with a foundation understanding of the english language that Friday night's meeting was a CLOSED DOOR, EXECUTIVE SESSION. It was never designed, nor can be be viewed or scrutinized by the public. Seeing as how the District just came to an agreement with the teacher's union, one can logically assume the meeting involved ironing out the final contractual details.
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NotanIdiot, you can not be more wrong about what you said. The BOE can only vote and take action in public meeting, which they did on Friday night. No vote can be taken in executive session. That is the way the law is.
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I just called the District and it was confirmed to me that the Friday night meeting was a Public + Executive Session meeting. The attending Board members VOTED in the Public meeting part of the Friday night meeting to accept the settlement.
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Should I assume you are trying to articulate that the BoE held a "meeting in public?" The BoE NEVER holds "public meetings." There is a stark difference between the two, and you would benefit greatly from understanding the differences.
If your answer is "yes" then you are partially correct. In order to go into executive session, there most be a vote by the Board to end the "meeting in public." It is a procedural matter, and in this circumstance probably went something like this:
The seven board members and administrators sit down, a motion is brought to the floor to end the meeting in public, and go into executive session. The motion is seconded, and then voted on. Conservatively, that "vote" probably took a whopping ten seconds.
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Wow, they voted on Friday to accept the settlement. I for one feel we should vote all those bums out! :rolls eyes: Give me a break. Since personnel matters are never discussed during a meeting in public, (a contract is a personnel matter) public participation or viewing of the vote is a moot point.
Summing it up:
-Meeting in Public held to vote on teacher's settlement.
- Contracts are personnel matters, they are not open to public scrutiny.
- Settlement is voted on, and a vote is taken to go into executive session.
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NotanIdiot, what I said about "public meeting" is more precisely "meeting in public". It was confirmed to me that the Board went into ANOTHER public meeting AFTER the executive session, and then those attended VOTED to accept the settlement.
Summing it up:
- A meeting in public took place on Friday night and the Board voted to accepted the new teachers contract.
- The actions took place in meeting in public on Friday night was not disclosed to the public till late Thursday of the following week.
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I was just away for a couple of days and missed all the exchanges.
"Contracts are personnel matters, they are not open to public scrutiny."
A contract is paid for with taxpayers money. It absolutely should be open to public disclosure. A personnel matter is something pertaining to a specific personnel. The teachers contract is not personnel matter.
One thing I don't understand is why such secrecy, why Friday night? Why did the Board President call a Board meeting on a Friday night?
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My friend on the Board did not attend that meeting. I was told that they almost could not have a quorum. One would think something as important as the teachers contract deserves a full Board and a full house when it is being voted on.
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Stop the nonsense and silly conspiracy. The Teachers union told the administration early in the week that the teachers would vote on the contract Friday afternoon.
The union asks the administration for Board approval as soon as possible after the teachers vote. As a courtesy the Board called a meeting Friday night to approve the contract.
The vote itself must take place by meeting in public. My understanding is that the vote was the only item on the agenda. Six board members were able to attend, the seventh member was on vacation. The Board accepted the terms of the contract 6-0.
Prior to the vote the Board meet in executive session, where only certain well defined topics can be discussed. Negotiations are one.
The entire contract is a matter of public record and a statement outlining the terms of agreement is on the web site.
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Whoever "Teacher" you are, you seem to know everything that the public does not. My question is how did you know all these insider events? No one says it is a conspiracy. The public is only pointing out the board's lack of transparency. Nobody is against the teachers. Based on what you posted here in this blog, it still does not explain why the board had to call a meeting on Friday night with at least TWO members absent.
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To Anon 4:17AM
The Board meet Friday to ratify the contract that the teachers ratified that morning. Nothing secret about this.
Also six Board members were at the meeting. A matter of public record. Where do you get nonsense that "at least two Board members were missing"
The vote to accept was 6-0. Also a matter of public record. I have heard teachers and parents discuss these points. What planet are you on.
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I am a taxpayper on the same planet where locust valley central school district is located. The meeting was taken at a time to avoid public participation and comments. Since "The vote to accept was 6-0. Also a matter of public record.", where do I find that? Can you name the six members who were present since you have access to the public record.
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Noticed that the blog posting clock is off by about one hour. It is strange!!
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The meeting took place to accommodate the request of the teacher union to vote as soon as possible after the union vote. Teachers tell us this.
What public comment would the Board be seeking to avoid?
I asked an administrator who from the Board was at the meeting and was told the entire Board except Erika who was on vacation and the Board voted 6-0 to accept. This point was discussed by parents the entire week at school events. it is no secret.
Why don't you get involved in what is going on and stop throwing around lies.
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Amazing! There are three "different" posters, "Teacher", "Know", and "Parent", claim the vote was 6-0. How interesting! Eventually, the school will post the voting in Board Actions. We shall see what the true story is.
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Eventually, you will know because you are uninvolved in the school. Involved parents already know the vote was 6-0. Why don't you ask an administrator or Board member.
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Anonymous - involved,
Because of your post which is the 4th post stating that the vote was 6-0, along with the other three: "Teacher", "Know", and "Parent", I just called a board member and was told there were 5 board members attended the meeting last Friday night. Have no idea where vote #6 came from, absentee ballot maybe? Is that allowed?
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Who cares? The Board voted to ratify the contract. End of story.
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It is our tax dollars. We have the right to care.
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Actually, the vote was 5-0. Erika and Carl weren't there.
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i dont know much about these things - i am grateful for my job which i know taxpayers pay for so i try hard to do it well - but i wanted to say i don't think erica or carl being absent had anything to do because of the Tusseladd that had gone missing - i finally found him taking a dust bath in a big crater he must have scratched out of the road near valentine beach.
thank you.
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dear bridge mechanic,
We are grateful for the fine job you do! Now about that Tusseladd ...
http://havardjohansen.blogspot.com/2010/10/troll-designs-1-tusseladd.html
Are you sure what you found wasn't just a house guest of one of the more well-renowned families from down there?
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In a particularly bored moment, I decided to take a look at the recent LVCSD Board Actions. Two things jumped out at me. First from the July organizational meeting, the first for the newly elected trustees:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/July_Actions2011.pdf
Designated: The Oyster Bay Guardian, Newsday, Oyster Bay Enterprise-Pilot, and Glen Cove Record Pilot as
the official newspapers for the publication of all legal notice
Here we go again! Jack Dolce being allowed to have a hissy fit because The Leader didn't endorse the incumbents or the budget. Wah, wah, wah! Are we the Oyster Bay or Glen Cove school districts? LVCSD is not designating the only LOCAL LOCUST VALLEY paper for its legal notices???? Shameful.
The second item comes from August:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Board_Actions/August_Actions2011.pdf
Approved: Following 2011 Summer Curriculum Writing Staff: School - MS Department - IB
Course - Foreign Language
Staff -Eleonora Aiello, Scott St. Denis,Valerie Portente
Duration - 3 hours each
Why are MS staff writing curriculum for HS IB?
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Lisa,
Did you noticed one thing different about the posted July organizational meeting board action minutes? There is no voting tally. Who voted Jack Dolce in as board president again? Everyone? Who voted to exclude The Leader?
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C thru LV,
I could be mistaken, but I don't think that's anything new. What LVCSD posts to its website are called "Board Actions". They are not "technically" the Board Minutes which are the documents which should contain the recorded votes. Those you would have to FOIL separately.
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Lisa,
Thank you for explaining the difference between board actions and minutes. I did not know one has to FOIL to get the minutes. Aren't board minutes part of the public agenda of the next meeting and the board has to publically vote to approve it?
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C thru LV,
You are correct, at every Board meeting, the Board votes to approve the Minutes from either the past one or two meetings. The Trustees receive a copy of those Minutes in their Board package and we have to hope that they read them to make sure they were correct before they vote to approve them. On rare occasions, you will hear a Trustee request a correction to the Minutes before voting to approve. However, I cannot recall ever seeing a copy of the Minutes prior to Board approval.
As I have worked with school districts around the country, it is fascinating to compare and contrast how different Superintendents and BoE's handle their public meetings and procedures.
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Lisa,
You really know everything. Someone told me we now have a new board, or three new board members, things will change. So far, I have not seen any changes. They voted for the same guy, who forever wants to be the board president for whatever reason (no more kids in school). Nothing has changed.
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The BOD President hasn't had children in the school in five years. He does it because he cares about the school district and the community. There is no personal gain other than the satisfaction of making Locust Valley School District better. We are a very good school district and it's about time we praised the BOD members for doing a good job during tough econic times.It's a thankless and extremely time consuming job!
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Timmy G.
Who are you talking about, the old board or the new board?
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I'm primarily talking about the old BOD, but I have nothing negative to say about the new BOD. It's too soon to tell. Yao Chu was an excellent BOD member and it's a shame that he wasn't able to stay on board, but the leadership of the President will keep things moving in the right direction.
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C thru LV,
I know George Stimola did not vote 'aye' for Jack to be President.
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Lisa,
Do you know if the new board member Charlie Murphy also voted to exclude The Leader?
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It's my understanding that everyone but George voted for Jack Dolce. The Board needs good, solid leadership and Jack meets the criteria better than anyone else on the board at this time.
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Tommy G.,
Such as hire his classmate to negotiate with the union?
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What is the difference. The guy is qualified and he did a good job. If he wasn't qualified, then you have reason to complain.
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Tommy G.,
What's the difference? I am trying to get my son a job and he is more than qualified. Unfortunately, I am not the BOD President. Do you get it?
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C thru LV,
I am sorry, I do not know.
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I'm usually pretty good with acronyms, but will someone please tell me what "BOD" stands for?
There needs to be a restructuring of school districts on Long Island, From what I have heard, Suffolk County is proposing exactly that. If we were to merge Nassau County into 5 or 6 large districts, we could slash tens of millions in Superintendent and Assistant Superintendent salaries and benefits overnight thus helping to keep taxes down. Did you know in Island Park, their Superintendent gets paid $230,000 to run a single elementary and middle school?? That's OBSCENE! And a BoE for two little schools? RIDICULOUS!
It is unfortunate when Board Trustees who managed to get elected to the Board become so entrenched that they consider the district their personal "fiefdom" and the Superintendent as their personal "god" whose every command should go unquestioned. As this past election has shown, it may take a number of years, but the people eventually say, "Enough! YOU are supposed to represent US!"
I would recommend writing to Mr. Murphy directly and ask him how he voted on The Leader issue. Perhaps as a new Board member he was unaware or didn't notice that the paper was missing from the line-up.
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Lisa,
While I was waiting for your posting, I did asked around. As far as I can tell, every single vote taken this year has been unanimous with the only exception of George Stimola present but did not vote for Jack Dolce as President, and Erika Bruno and Carl Friedrich were not present at the teachers contract vote. I have not seen anything different with this new Board of Education.
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C thru LV,
I cannot comment on the Teacher's contract as I am unfamiliar with what the hold-up was, I'm just glad that they won't be wearing their union shirts to class anymore. So personally, I don't have a problem with the new members voting to approve the contract. I have heard that the SRP's are still without a contract. These good employees, many of them local Moms, do a lot of the grunt work without any glory and deserve a fair contract, as well.
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Sadly it's not just the BOE hiring friends, our own Supt. has stocked the building with her former cronies....ask around and you'll see the number of incompetent administrators, teacher, psychologists, etc. being hired who have affiliation with one or both of the "Hunderfunds". And the sad thing is that several are unbelievably ineffective and will most likely get tenure as they are "yes" men and women. Also, it seems as though hiring committees are a thing of the past. Ask members of the PC, PTA, etc. and not one parent was asked to sit on any interview committees this year, yet new people were hired.
I find it very interesting that an entire year under the old BOE that the teachers' contract couldn't be settled, yet, two months of the new BOE and voila, a new contract. I have also heard the the current BOE president (in addition to hiring his friend to negotiate the contract) makes frequent comments at Falcon Pride meetings as to how the teachers are over paid. You have to wonder about those sort of things.......
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anon,
the old boe has said in public meetings that everything (implying about the teachers contract) was based on the two percent tax cap. the unions have said in more than one occasion that the two percent tax cap would never become law. one week after the last election, the two percent tax cap became law and thus helped to settle the teachers contract. it has nothing to do with anything else.
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Here are the Part 100 regulations for NYS Shared Decision Making:
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/10011.html
This is THE LAW. If LVCSD is breaking THE LAW it is incumbent on parents "with standing" to file a Commissioner's Appeal against the district and demand compliance.
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It you read the press release on the teachers contract outlining the terms of agreement the teachers settled for essentially a zero percent salary increase while maintaining guaranteed increase in steps and lanes stemming from the triborough law.
It seems, as best I can tell, the structure was shifted so for some years a lump some increase was substituted for the steps and lanes. I assume this was done so the teachers who were no longer eligible for an increase would get one.
This is a very good contract for the district and the teachers would have never settled for this if there wasn't a 2% tax cap.
Credit to the old board for holding firm until the tax cap was passed. And apparently. the new board members, once they looked at the numbers realized the old board was being fiscally responsible. The teachers union may have expected support from the new board members but it is clear they didn't get it.
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Sandy,
With the 2% tax cap, what support can the unions expect to get from anyone? You can see the teachers union really cared about education by bombarding the public with voting all incumbents out. The next item on the chopping block is repeal of the Tri-Borough amendment, NY is the one and only State that has it. Explain to me why NY is so different.
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Naturally, we the tax payers, pay for this. We live in one of the most liberal states in the union and as as result we are forced to cut the number of teachers who teach our children but we are taxed to support the education of illegal immigrants
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The agenda, proposed by the state education commissioner, John B. King Jr., to the Board of Regents, has as a top priority a proposal to push Congress to pass legislation that would provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who go to college. Included in that legislation, known as the Dream Act, is a provision that would give students who are in the country illegally access to tuition assistance at city and state universities. The agenda is expected to be approved.
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Thought I'd share my NH op-ed with the locals:
http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles/op-ed-international-baccalaureate-in-the-merrimack-valley-school-district#_=_
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Lisa,
I was hoping you have sold your house by now so the rest of us can have some peace. Maybe you ought to join Occupy Wall Street or something. Just get out of here.
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Be nicer than that. You do not have to read the posts.
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Anon,
I've been trying very hard to sell my house for the past 5 months to get away from a-holes like you, haven't you seen the Open House signs almost every weekend?
Are you really so stupid you think I would be with the OWS crowd? Put your money where your mouth is and buy my house if you want me gone so bad, you anonymous creep!
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I would like to know are you even talking about the LVCSD?
Have you walked down any of the halls in either the high/ middle schools on any given day? Do you see where all the tax money goes too?
So as you walk down the halls and look in the classrooms, you have the kids throwing things and talking, all the while the teacher is trying to teach! Oh and yes those also trying they're best to actually hear and learn during all that!! And yup AP/IB classes!!
As i walk down the halls i wonder why I am the only one who see's this because apparently no one is stopping it!
Oh did you notice those pretty comfy chairs and couches they put in the new guidance department? But yet while all those kids need to wait for the bus they have to sit on the ground?
Makes so much sense right? Because we all know in how overcrowded the guidance dept get EVERYDAY!!!!!
Have any of your kids played tennis? Or soccer? Not 1 seat for parents to watch their kids! Yea we can bring a chair and hey i don't mind but did we really need a new tree? In front of the school to make it look prettier?
Priorities a little messed up i think!
Oh website! Has anyone read the letter from the principle? Go take a look!!! Its from 2009!
Yet they can up a copy of the booklet they mail to every family that moves into the school district, that they can update!!!
Yea go walk the halls and see what really goes on! Have coffee with a principle, sit in a meeting, actually have at least 1 child with an IEP then your eyes then open up! Because before that my other children were AP/IB yea i sat as they got awards! Thinking best effort? Does that mean the poor child sitting next to them dudnt give there best??? How would they know such a persinal thing?????
Ok i really need to stop!!!!!
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Special ed in lvcsd is a travesty. Children get passed through, some on honor roll, with test readers that basically do the test for them. Why? So that they get into college. The stats on who cant complete year 1 dont show. It all about how we look in the papers. Hopefully with rich miller back things will change.
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I'm just hoping they pass that house-buying visa incentive for foreigners so I can advertise that LVHS is an International Baccalaureate World School! Lots of Iranians with money!
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Not to sure about Rich Miller, altho i did have a nice 1st meeting with him, until you start to ask for what is rightfully yours, because you do pay taxes for it, yet for some reason they don't tell you whats available until you speak with other parents and are shocked to find out that he never offered it as an option!!!
But when you ask for what is rightfully yours, they supply it, BUT not unless you find out about it first!
So i think after that yea HE will be like all the others, and the like rest of the school district!
Hiding things from us parents!!!
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The problem is that the ONLY thing the school district now cares about is PR. Why do you think we know employ a PR person? The powers that be really don't care about the kids it's all about the dog and pony show we can put on. We may be pretty on the outside, but we're rotten to the core on the inside. All of these esthetic reparations mean nothing. Ok..we definitely needed a new walkway in front of the HS, but give me a break with the elaborate brick work and the giant planter in the middle. And every school did NOT need a new parking lot. The guidance suite must have cost over $250,000 and it's hideous. And what's going on by the gym is completely pretentious. I know it was "donated" but come on....what school needs 5 giant flat screen TV's to show pics of former and current athletes? Then there's the new tutoring center in the HS that was once a computer lab. Why was it redone? I know it had asbestos and its removal is necessary but the room should have been left as a computer lab. Each project done just to make us "look" good. And the administrators getting bonuses last year was a joke too. How much was given out? What was the criteria for receiving a bonus? Where is all of this money coming from when you know come the public budget meetings our illustrious superintendent will be moaning how we don't have any.
The kids are being tormented with tests, tests and more tests. Why do you think the school now pays for the IB and AP tests? So parents don't question why a student is taking an AP test for a course we don't offer at the school. Wake up people.....honors means nothing anymore, the honor societies are a joke because everyone gets in....there is no more honor or integrity left in the district. Things need to change.
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Minor correction Anon - WE the TAXPAYERS are paying for all of the IB/AP exams, not the "school" to the tune of $100,000 annually. This practice only started 3 years ago. Hmmm, what else happened 3 years ago? Oh yes, the Anointed One was elected. Spread the "wealth" around, right? Except why is Joe taxpayer paying the exam fees for the wealthy kids from Lattingtown and Brookville? Hmmm?
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The LVCSD Spin Zone
It's always amusing to read LVCSD's "spin" on district stats, the ones LVCSD "chooses" to release, that is. Check out the link to the last 5 yrs. of SAT scores under latest news:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
Why not the last 10 yrs? Hmmm? 2006 was the first IB Graduating Class. What was the 'mean' SAT at LVHS before IB?
Then we have Principal Kieran's IB report to the Board:
"The International Baccalaureate Update was given by High School Principal, Dr. Kieran McGuire. He indicated that the overall participation in college level courses continued at high levels in 2010-2011 and continues to grow. The number of IB Diploma candidates has increased to 21.6% of the Senior Class
with 32 students achieving an IB Diploma in 2011. He gave an overview of the rate of success comparison for English, American History and Math Studies courses as well as the Extended Essay and Theory of Knowledge results. Dr. McGuire concluded that even though there has been an increase in numbers of those participating in the IB Program due to open enrollment, a high level of passing
consistent with past years has been maintained.
A "success comparison"? Comparison to WHAT? If you look at the TOK and EE grades, they still pretty much suck royally so I guess being slightly less suckie is success...
Btw, LVHS has NEVER hit the 40 IB Diploma recipients Richard Shear originally boasted of in Jay Mathews' book Supertest.
Get rid of this abomination of a program!
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Anon
I could not agree with everything you posted!!!
Except why is it when there is a child with lice a letter and email goes out, but asbestos in the school and not one letter goes out?
A bit odd!!!!
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It was an "HONOR" when i was geowing up to be in the honor society/ classes!!!
The best of the best! NOW in LVSD right everyone gets in!!! What a joke!!!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
The big union blow-up rat parked opposite the HS with the sign about asbestos was the type of community "communication" LVCSD seems to prefer. Nothing to see here .... move along!
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Funny about that *rat* most people and yes sadly parents who drove by never knew why it was
There! But they ASSume it is all ok because the kids are back in school???
I bet if you took a poll MOST of the parents do not know about the RAT!!!
But they do know about lice!!!!
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They never knew why The Rat was there? Please don't tell me our local parents are really THAT stupid. How sad.
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The RAT is welcome in this union town. We like our unions. We voted three of union backed (and paid for) candidates to represent us on the boe so they can get the contract they want.
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Name calling is really not becoming!!!
Odd i suppose when NOTICES do NOT go out regarding asbestos NO parents would not know, unless you actually have a need to drive past the school while the RAT is out there!!! Unless i confused you with my reply from the previous post?
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
**It was an "HONOR" when i was geowing up to be in the honor society/ classes!!! **
How sad when someone claimed to come from the "HONOR" society/ classes post something like this.
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Yup there we have it again a " grown " up acting like a child yet again!
Then we wonder why the kids behave the way they do?
Ashame!
Now if you go back and reread my post without anger in your intent, aside from a TYPO (oh sorry) please forgive me? I never said * I* was in the HONOR society? I said when i was gRowing up *it* was an honor..... Do you see the difference? Or else i would have said when I was in the honor society!! But that i did not say!!
Do you have a better understanding now?
And really who are you so angry with to pick on something so little as a typo and start belittling people?
Please
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Anon,
Once again, just because the teacher's union "endorsed" the four challengers and not the incumbents does not mean that our newly elected Board Trustees are going to kiss the union's a$$. Speak for yourself when you say "we like our unions" and don't lump me in with your we!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
Wake up to the real world before you criticize. When I grew up, it was a real big deal to go to college. Today, 90%+ of our graduates go to college. Is there anything wrong with that?
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Anon,
And what percentage of those 90% actually graduate college in 4 years? What percentage of that percentage are landing jobs in this disastrous economy?
Perhaps, just like there are Special Olympics, there should be a Special Honor Society.
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Just sayin, but all this talk about honors and advancing the "kids" and stuff!!! Did you all hear about the fire in school last week? With what i believe to be a 7th grader in a 9th grade class?
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I saw a blurb in the Leader about a fire in a chemistry lab involving Middle School kids and my first thought was, "Why are MS kids in a Chem lab?"
Chemistry is usually taught in 11th Grade.
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Lisa,
"And what percentage of those 90% actually graduate college in 4 years? What percentage of that percentage are landing jobs in this disastrous economy?"
Did you graduate college in 4 years when the economy wasn't as bad and jobs were abound?
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Anon,
Actually, the economy in the late 70's under Jimmy Carter sucked. My husband and I bought our first house in Bayville when we were 21. How many 21 year olds do you see buying homes now?
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Many in the current 9th grade take chemistry and geometry. In 10th they will take Algebra II/Trig and Physics. The students all took algebra and Biology in 8th grade at the MS.
I believe it is to free up schedules so more students take the IB diploma program.
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anon,
That still doesn't explain a MS student in the chem lab.
LVHS doesn't offer any AP Physics, AP Chemistry or AP Bio and I'm sure there weren't any MS students taking the AP Bio exam in 8th grade. Somewhere in the mix, I believe the students also take Environmental/Earth Science. LVHS has flipped the science sequence head over heels in order to accommodate IB's 2 yr. HL courses .... for what? So that more students can FAIL the IB HL science exams than PASS?
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
Why does LVHS ignore the value of the SAT II subject exams? The sequence USED to go:
Earth Science
Bio
Chem
Physics
This was designed to correlate with the increasing degree of difficulty in the maths. 12 students took HL IB Math and only 3 passed with a grade of '4' which is not even recognized for credit by MOST U.S. Universities, even thought it is a HL exam!
Stop ruining the futures of LV children!
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The injured child was a 9th grade student. He is younger because he was moved up either one or two grades when he was in the intermediate school.
in June, 2011, the 8th graders took the biology regents at the end of 8th grade. For 9th grade for this school year - students had the choice of earth science or chemistry. I think the "honors" type students chose chemistry.
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The injured child was a 9th grade student. He is younger because he was moved up either one or two grades when he was in the intermediate school.
In June, 2011, the 8th graders took the biology regents at the end of 8th grade. For 9th grade for this school year - students had the choice of earth science or chemistry. I think the "honors" type students chose chemistry.
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Anon,
Moved up one or two grades in Intermediate school? In THIS district? I find that HIGHLY unlikely. LVCSD is adamantly opposed to skipping grades.
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And now that the U.S. has stopped funding UNESCO, can we PLEASE get LVCSD to stop spending our taxdollars on IB which is an NGO of UNESCO and subscribes to all UNESCO goals and ideology? Time to stop supporting an organization that supports TERRORISTS!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4142143,00.html
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LISA ANON IS CORRECT....HE WAS MOVED UP
ALSO I AGREE WITH LISA....STOP SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON THE IB PROGRAMME...HERE IS THE PROOF THAT UNESCO IS ANTI AMERICAN AND SO IS THEIR IB PROGRAMME
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And you see my point, pushing the KIDS beyond where they should be!!! Just because a child shows "brains" 2? Grades? See what happens? The school district wants to push him through and he gets burns because in actuality he never REALLY belong there to start with, BECAUSE while book smart he still was mentally to young to be in a class with chemicals!!!!
Lets keep pushing!!! I had the pleasure of sitting in a entrance exam and interview at a private school ( local) and what there policy was they rather have you be where you are academically, they you struggle and get lower grades then where you should not be!
Because the more you go around to all these private schools in the area and the good ones you'd think would push AP btw don't offer IB feel not worth it not enough colleges in the states look that as they do AP..... They would rather have you EXCEL at the level at you are AT, then the level they WANT you to be!!!
Oh and when you walk throu there halls there is no talking in the classrooms!!!
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Lisa - you really should speak to the parents of kids in 8th, 9th and 10th grades to get a sense of what is occurring. I believe the current 10th graders all took algebra in 8th grade. And the current 9th graders took alegbra and bio in 8th grade. Not sure what the current 8th grade is taking. When my child was in 8th grade in 2010-2011, there was one child that I know that was moved from 8th to 9th, and there were others who took both algebra and geometry at the same time. From your comments, I beleive that you would be surprised as to the number of kids who are encouraged to take more difficult classes. I do not know if it so that the students "get ahead" in credits to free up time for IB or if they just want to keep the "honors" students from becoming bored in class.
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sorry for typo - *believe
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Everything has become a "smoke and mirrors" illusion. Students who fail a course now don't attend summer school...they attend "summer support" where they come to school for two hours a day for a week and miraculously pass for an entire year. Cutting is rampant in the HS. Induction into the Honor Society is a joke. I heard a rumor that the middle school isn't teaching social studies this year. Anyone know anything about that? And there are class sizes that are above what was approved by the BOE. Wake up people.
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Seems to me I called out LVCSD on its "smoke and mirrors" way back in 2004. I also seem to recall we were only spending approx. $24,000 per student back then.
Is the education LVCSD delivering worth $11,000 more than what they were providing in 2004? And don't forget, enrollment has declined by a full 2%.
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So that SS thing got my feathers up, so i ask my middle schoolers, and they informed me, that yes they in fact do have SS, and being the mom i am i said what's the class called, bc at times they have different names! But to my surprise it was social studies, but one did say world history?
So we can rest knowing yes they have SS!
Hs 24/26 avg
Ms 14/28 avg
Now those were the honors classes
Esp middle school with the wide gap!
Regents Hs SS 30 and they keep coming in needed more desks!
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I do my 1 of my children took her LE regents without ever taking the class? Now thats messed up! Because they felt she could pass the 9 th grade regents in 8th grade so she never had to take the class, and it was then at the private schools is when we found out that it was not how it works u still need to take the course because just bc u can pass the test does not mean u had the full yr of learning!!!!
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Haveyouwalked,
Actually, there is a little known rule that if a student pre-takes a Regents exam and scores an 85 or higher, they can receive credit for the course in NYS.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/1005.html
Alternatives to specific Regents and local diploma requirements.
Credit by examination. A student may earn a maximum of 6 1/2 units of credit for either a Regents or local diploma without completing units of study for such units of credit, if:
the student achieves a score of at least 85 percent, or its equivalent as determined by the commissioner, on a State-developed or State-approved assessment pursuant to section 100.2(f) of this Part;
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They administered over 15 different AP exams this past May when we only offer 3 or 4 AP classes in the HS.
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Actually Anon, your information is incorrect. As you can see from the official AP exam results which I obtained through a FOIL request, only 4 AP courses were actually taught in LVHS, two of those were tested in 10th grade. The other 9 AP exams were taken independently by 2-4 particularly motivated and bright students.
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
Why should the taxpayers pay for exams for courses that aren't even being taught?
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Wow
See now unless parents are willing to do all this research, how would they have any idea of any of this?????
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Haveyouwalked,
The parents and taxpayers of LVCSD have blindly accepted LVCSD's rhetoric regarding what transpires in its schools for years. Those of us who dig for the truth are labeled troublemakers, someone with an axe to grind, having an agenda , etc.
LVCSD should post the AP and IB annual exam reports to its website. PERIOD. LVCSD should also place its check registry ONLINE. PERIOD. Doing both of these things would open up a world of transparency without costing the taxpayers a dime.
So why hasn't LVCSD done those two simple things?
Whatcha gotta hide, LVCSD? Apperently, wasteful spending and lousy exam results.
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Lisa,
What nonsense !
The LVCSD has three independent financial audits a year, all presented publicly at Board meetings with the auditors presented to answer questions from the public. Of interest, at the last presentation the audits complimented the district on its outstanding financial management and pointed out that the district's tight financial controls secured an AA1Bond Rating, the SECOND HIGHEST among the nine designation conferred by rating agencies. The rating is higher than NY State and Nassau County bonds and the same as the federal government, which has taxing powers. Only two of the 128 school districts on LI have a rating this high.
The upgrade saves the district hundreds of thousand of dollars in interest expense over the next several years.
Academically, the district with a 98% Regents graduation rate and a 78% Advanced Regents graduation rate is among the highest on Long Island and the state. Additionally 82% of the 2010 graduation class took at least one IB or, the inferior but still advanced, AP courses.
Lisa, since you foiled the IB results you can tell all of us how the school did. Of course, those of us who attend Board meetings already know.
Also, at the last Board meeting NYS presented the district a special award for academic achievement. Apparently, LV was one of only 22 among the 879 school districts in the state in which every varsity team was designated a scholar athlete team.
Yes, nothing is kept secret, the results are public and best of all the school is well run financially, and academically the students are among the highest achieving in the state and nation.
The results are all verifiable.
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Anonymous seems unable to separate nonsense from fact.
Nonsense, is LVCSD failing to share IB/AP exam results with the public.
Nonsense, is some LVCSD cheerleader coming on the Bayville Blog and lying about the AP offerings in the HS.
Nonsense is hiding behind claims of wonderful paid audits while refusing to put the district's check registry online.
Nonsense is spending our taxdollars on advanced exams.
Seems to me I've heard a lot of "chatter" from long time LVHS parents of the need to get rid of Regents exams altogether.
When you add FIFTEEN (15) points to an IB GPA - no wonder all of LV's varsity teams are "scholar athletes". What a joke!
Yes, everything is a big fat secret unless you FOIL the actual documentation. Get over yourself, jack.
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From what i have seen and heard myself, i believe the LVSD likes to Puff themselves up, and those who have fallen behind are pushed " sneaked" through!
When i need to call a school that has SUCH high ranking, as to why a my child is barely passing a class, with extra services from the teacher, and a child does not understand why " when they finally are about to understand" the subject they move on so quickly to the next phase??
Odd thing as i spoke with other parents,
Who had similiar issues, they were told by the LVCSD that they could hire an older child from the school as a tutor for 20.00$$ lol
Gotta love that!!! Only in a school district that loves themselves!!! LoL
Well when they heard i spoke to the head of that dept and said it was there job to TEACH, i expected my child to come home with more then a 65 on that regent!!! Apparently with him the (head) my child PASSED!!!
Are they joking me? I did inform him though that 65 is guessing right on that multichoice question!!!
So he looked up my child schedule and they are getting overhelped!!! But not UNTIL i had to call, so yeah they would have just been pushed through the system!!
I'm thinking they perfer to hang with the smarter kids, and help them succeed more then the ones that need the extra help!!! Shame on all of them!!!
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So Lisa tell us the IB results. Are you hiding something? I and others heard the results at a Board meeting early this year.
Most LI high schools weight grades the same or higher than LV. Jericho for one weighs grades higher. I know, I am a Jericho teacher and the parent of a LV student. Yet these schools are NOT Scholar Athlete Schools.
The audits are independent and certified, and as Anonymous said the rating agencies rated the districts finances AA1.
It would be silly and naive to put a check registry online. it tells you nothing. In fact, there is a specific audit to check the accuracy and veracity of checks.
The state demands Regents exams. It is not the school's choice. However, given the fact that the state requires them the school performance is excellent.
Good for the school allowing poorer parents the opportunity to let their children take advanced courses.
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Belief,
LMAO! Am I hiding something? Uh, nooooo. I believe I had posted the 2011 results at least 2x on this blog but since you are incapable of tracing back or going to the LV page of my website, I will post them again:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
576 IB exams administered and only nine (9) '7's' achieved? .... 36 Extended Essays and Zero (0) 'A's', 10 'B's', 17 'C's' and 9 'D's'? The EE (for which we pay a stipend to an EE Supervisor) is supposedly the IBDP's "premier" feature.
1 'A' in the TOK essay? Seriously?
The highest Diploma score earned was a 35. Not enough to be considered for admission to Oxford or Harvard.
The 'mean' diploma score once again was '29' - not enough to earn sophomore status at even SUNY Binghamton.
"It would be silly and naive to put a check registry online. it tells you nothing." ~Belief
Maybe it tells YOU nothing because you seem incapable of research, but it tells the public what checks the district cut the previous month. When it comes to issues like IB where administrations try to bury the costs and out and out lie about the dollars spent, the public can click on a link on the district's website and review what was spent without having to waste the district's time and resources by FOILing specific purchase orders. Once again, if the district has nothing to hide, there should be absolutely no issue with this sort of transparency which would cost the district nothing to provide.
Here's an example of how it is done in the Haysville, Kansas district where sadly, IB was just approved by a 4-3 vote.
http://www.usd261.com/BOE/packets/11-12_Packets/October2011/10_17_11_Payables.pdf
"Good for the school allowing poorer parents the opportunity to let their children take advanced courses."~Belief
Uhhh, who said poor kids couldn't take advanced courses? Only LVMS even registered as a Targeted Assistance Title I school - our HS doesn't even have 10 kids that meet the Free and Reduced Lunch provision. And if when those 10 MS kids make it to the HS, if they need financial assistance to pay for an AP exam, The College Board will offer a reduced fee. We also have The Big Guy Foundation which I'm sure could pick up the tab. Stop forcing the taxpayers to pay for the exams on which we are getting LOUSY results!
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Money is being wasted in so many ways....roof of gym not finished due to firing of crew (happens on pretty much every project)....roof leaked on gym floor, kids can't play gym indoors until at least Dec....won't be done in time for basketball...heard the person in charge of the buildings does this all the time and actually has his own lawyers from district.....In response to the poor decision made last weekend to play the homecoming game which sent our own LVCSD students to the hospital the phys. ed. dept. goes out and spends thousands on stuff for cold weather instead of just saying "sorry for the stupid call next time we'll think of the kids first"...It's all a farce....the lies abound in the district and things are made to appear good, but in reality there is no integrity left in the district at all...
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I don't recall you posting the IB results on this blog and I am certainly not going to your website for information.
So to go beyond your surface or top line postings.
1- To earn an IB Diploma students must obtain a grade of "C" or better in either the Extended Essay or ToK but not both. It seems LV students with their open enrollment compare quite favorably to the selected enrollment requirement of most World IB schools. For example,
Percent of students scoring A, B or C in Extended Essay
2009 2010 2011
LV 64% 86% 78%
World 73% 75% n/a last I looked.
2- 32 of 36 or 88% of LV students earning an IB diploma is substantially higher than the IB World average.
Actually the academic requirements throughout my career demanded quality research, which prohibits selecting discrete information to bolster a preconceived biased view.
Relying on a check registry and not sound accounting principles and independent audits is one of the chief reasons the financial scandal was possible at Roselyn. Without auditing checks we learn little. Indeed the administrators at Roselyn had checks written to non existing companies.
However, if anyone were interested the monthly claims audit, which is essentially an audited check registry is available at the administration building. It is a complete wast of time to enter this level of detail on line,
Financially transparency occurs not through a check registry, which is easy to manipulate but through independent audits conducted by registered public accounting firms subject to required accounting and financial rules.
Finally, the point you fail to understand but has been repeated over and over by the Board and Administration is the primary purpose of the IB Program is providing advanced courses to ALL students to better prepare them for college. It is why the school has open enrollment and encourages all students to take an advanced course in a subject of interest. It is the reason the administration of 576 exams is the real success of the program.
As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States.
Actually income disparity is a consequence of freedom and growth. There is no income disparity in the Middle East, Africa and most of the world because there is little freedom to pursue a better life. In Europe socialism dissuades growth and results in mediocrity and hence small income disparity.
Income disparity exists when Steve jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raises the standard of living for million. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap in income betwee
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I don't recall you posting the IB results on this blog and I am certainly not going to your website for information.
So to go beyond your surface or top line postings.
1- To earn an IB Diploma students must obtain a grade of "C" or better in either the Extended Essay or ToK but not both. It seems LV students with their open enrollment compare quite favorably to the selected enrollment requirement of most World IB schools. For example,
Percent of students scoring A, B or C in Extended Essay
2009 2010 2011
LV 64% 86% 78%
World 73% 75% n/a last I looked.
2- 32 of 36 or 88% of LV students earning an IB diploma is substantially higher than the IB World average.
Actually the academic requirements throughout my career demanded quality research, which prohibits selecting discrete information to bolster a preconceived biased view.
Relying on a check registry and not sound accounting principles and independent audits is one of the chief reasons the financial scandal was possible at Roselyn. Without auditing checks we learn little. Indeed the administrators at Roselyn had checks written to non existing companies.
However, if anyone were interested the monthly claims audit, which is essentially an audited check registry is available at the administration building. It is a complete wast of time to enter this level of detail on line,
Financially transparency occurs not through a check registry, which is easy to manipulate but through independent audits conducted by registered public accounting firms subject to required accounting and financial rules.
Finally, the point you fail to understand but has been repeated over and over by the Board and Administration is the primary purpose of the IB Program is providing advanced courses to ALL students to better prepare them for college. It is why the school has open enrollment and encourages all students to take an advanced course in a subject of interest. It is the reason the administration of 576 exams is the real success of the program.
As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States.
Actually income disparity is a consequence of freedom and growth. There is no income disparity in the Middle East, Africa and most of the world because there is little freedom to pursue a better life. In Europe socialism dissuades growth and results in mediocrity and hence small income disparity.
Income disparity exists when Steve jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raises the standard of living for million. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap in income betwee
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Belief,
Why do you insist on spewing misinformation about IB? Your pt. #1 is incorrect:
http://www.ibo.org/documentlibrary/regs_ibworldschools/documents/DP_regs_en.pdf
Grades A (highest) to E (lowest) have been awarded for both theory of knowledge and an extended
essay, with a grade of at least D in one of them
In other words, a student can score an 'E' (our 'F') and a 'D' and still qualify for the IB Diploma. Wowee. Those sure are impressive grades!
Again, your resistance to fiscal transparency is disturbing. If checks are being written to a non-existent company, shouldn't the taxpayers be able to bring something like that to the attention of the NYS auditor? The district has those reports available for Board members (or at least I hope they do), you have no sound and reasonable basis to object to putting the check registry online. Unless you believe LVCSD should be able to hide its payouts. In this age of wasteful spending, it may not necessarily be an ILLEGAL expenditure, but something that LVCSD could do readily do without that is not benefiting the students.
The real purpose of IB is to dumb down the entire HS and rave about kids who really can't write worth a darn but who earn the IBDP. The real purpose of IB is to promote the IB "philosophy" which is the adoption of UNESCO goals. With the US and Canada cutting off funding to UNESCO, I think it's high time we cut off funding to IBO as well. 576 exams with only 9 top scores of '7' is a disgrace. I'll bet dollars to donuts the student who scored the 35 is the same student who took 4 or more of those 9 independent AP exams. And if it's who I'm thinking of, it wasn't just IB that got him into Harvard.
IB's growth at the Diploma level is fairly stagnant. 74 schools have DROPPED IB in the U.S. since 3/09.
No income disparity in the Middle East? Are you on drugs?
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Belief,
I'm rather confused about your little rant about income disparity. How exactly does that relate to misinformation about IB and lack of fiscal transparency? I mean, is this your idea of a segue?
"As more and more schools enroll in IB I think you will need to find a new obsession. One idea you may find interesting is a subject brought up in the liberal media and totally misunderstood, The issue of income disparity in the United States."
You lost me. How about linking a specific article to give me a clue as to what is going through your head.
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Lisa,
You are correct regarding ToK and EE. What I meant to say is that to contribute points toward the IB Diploma a student must score at least a "C" in one of the two. A student can earn up to three point from ToK and EE . So for whatever their reason IB puts a lot more emphasis on the core academic courses.
More importantly, and as I posted, LV's scores, even though the district has open enrollment, are consistent with the IB World Schools.
Since a check registry can be manipulated (Roselyn) it is NOT considered a transparent source. In fact it can be misleading as it carries a false sense of security. No institution, organization or business serious about fiscal oversight and accountability would consider reviewing a check registry as credible financial oversight. Your claim to the contrary is to be kind is naive.
For that reason a claims audit, which verifies the veracity of the checks is sometimes set up. The audit is much more complete than a simple registry. LV ACTUALLY DOES A MONTHLY CLAIMS AUDIT, and it is available at the district office. You can review it, as I have, anytime. In my opinion It is unnecessary and a total wast of time and money to put this extensive information online but who knows maybe in the future the Board will do so.
I'll check my research but I remember the number of IB schools increasing every year going back 5 yrs. or more.
Income disparity is a measurement monitoring changes in income for different economic classes in a country over time. It is not relevant for totalitarian states, like in the Middle East, since the disparity doesn't change.
The point is liberal complain that income disparity between the rich and the poor in the United States has increased since the 1980's. My point it may have and that often is a good thing because it is the result of freedom and growth. My example was Steve Jobs of Apple.
Steve Jobs creates breakthrough new products and hundreds of thousands of new jobs and raised the standard of living for million of people. However, since he also created $6 billion in wealth for himself the gap (disparity) in income between himself (the wealthy) and others grew.
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Is this how they score a quarterly exam in 2011?
They take all the test scores from the quarter, and knock off the lowest one! Then if the higest is oh we'll go with a 90, so if it's a 90 they replace the low one with the 90 so that give 2/ 90's = 1 real = 1 not!!!!
To me that = cheating??? On the teachers part?
Waiting for p/t conference!!! With that one!
I know when i went to school there was no getting rid of bad or low test grades?
I remember the day last yr when my dd called me from SS class, bc her teacher wanted to know about this place i had mentioned to her, to see if he remembered it growing up! So he had her call me from her cell phone during class, to talk to me? Odd i thought!
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Belief,
I cited the regulations for the "award of the diploma". Nowhere does it say a 'C'. It says that both the TOK and EE must be submitted and at least one grade of 'D' or better must be attained. D, not C. Do you even know what an E stands for? ELEMENTARY!
Who CARES what IBO's "worldwide" average is? It is a fringe, commie, UN program that does NOT belong in American public schools.
Maybe you'll enjoy reading my latest blog post:
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/11/ib-diploma-so-last-century.html
Did I recommend doing away with other regular audits? No, I did not. I'm sure Roslyn's check registry was not online when Tassone and $12M went AWOL. I'll say it again - if LVCSD doesn't have anything to hide, it should have no issue putting the check registry online. Costs the district nothing and demonstrates transparency. That you continue to argue against it sure makes it seem like LVCSD has a LOT it doesn't want the voting public to be able to look at from the comfort of their own homes.
I have no idea what your ridiculous rant about income disparity has to do with IB, transparency or LVCSD.
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Lisa,
Your research is limited and I'm not going to do it for you. If you search you will find the matrix that awads IB points for ToK and EE. When you do you will see a diploma candidate can get up to 3pts. from Tok and EE but will get none if he/she doesn't get at least a "C" in one.
You claim to be an IB expert and can't verify this? Please!
Talking about a check registry online as a transparent financial document verifies that you are financial neophyte. If you want someone to take you seriously I suggest you take an Accounting 101 course. By the way, since you are totally oblivious, a claims audit has within it a complete check registry. So if you want to see how much the LVCSD spent on each item each month all you need to do is review it.
Why is it that IB keeps growing in the US and worldwide?
Income disparity has nothing to do IB, transparency or the LVCSD. I though a semi-abstract academic subject might help you transition from basic lower level concrete reasoning, which causes obsessions on lost causes like IB to a subject which requires some conceptual academic thinking and which interest many conservatives. However, you are obviously limited and stuck at a very primary level.
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Disbelief,
I have had just about enough of your insults, your defamation and your ignorance. For the FINAL time, here is the amendment to the IB Diploma which took effect in 2010:
http://www.ibo.org/documentlibrary/regs_ibworldschools/documents/DP_regs_en_amend.pdf
'D'. Not a 'C'. 'D'. Now you can either link an official IBO document which states otherwise - or shut the hell up.
Same goes for online check registries. You obviously are aware of something LVCSD has to hide. Put up or shut up.
A special thanks to all of our Veterans for their service on this Veterans Day and to one particular veteran, patriot and gentleman I am proud to call my friend, MSG. Ronnie White:
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/11/christians-uniting-for-political-action_11.html?showComment=1321020881849#c266401082699100278
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The Bayville Village Board should consider a referendum to buy a certain person's house. Maybe then a certain person will finally move and take his/her conspiratorially driven ideals with him/her.
I will bring the idea up at the next meeting.
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Hi Lisa,
Nice to heat from you.
There is more information which details how diploma students get credit for ToK and EE. You need to access it.
LVCSD is not hiding anything. As I said, but you are obviously incapable of understanding, is that the check registry is contained within the monthly claims audit. Every check is not only listed but has been audited for veracity. Please take an accounting course and stop making a fool of yourself.
The number of IB schools keeps growing despite your best effort to the contrary,
Sadly, you appear incapable of discussing abstract issues and need to limit your conversation to concrete lower level reasoning. Even more revealing your comments uncover and disclose a limited capability seeing issues as only black or white.
When confronted with someone challenging your shallow statements you always sink to emotional confusion resulting in name calling. A clear characteristic of not only emotional malady and infliction but a limited abstract reasoning capability.
Have a nice weekend. and good luck with IB and blasting LVCSD. The conversation is boring and I need to move on to something more challenging.
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And now, I shall address the arrogant, condescending, self-aggrandizing, rodomontade spewed forth by the anonymous coward who calls himself "Belief". This poster could be a female, but Belief's writing style projects a male voice.
"Income disparity has nothing to do IB, transparency or the LVCSD. I though [sic] a semi-abstract academic subject might help you transition from basic lower level concrete reasoning, which causes obsessions on lost causes like IB to a subject which requires some conceptual academic thinking and which interest many conservatives. However, you are obviously limited and stuck at a very primary level."
Is that what you thought you were doing with your fallacious and nonsensical attempt at distraction from the topics at hand? Your pseudo-intellectual arrogance and demagoguery of "concrete reasoning" (something which you clearly lack)to allegedly help me "transition" to your Marxi-t obsession with wealth redistribution, is laughable.
Lacking the guts to sign your name to your elitist ruminations, you have ZERO credibility. What are you afraid of, Belief? Being laughed at in public? Afraid your kommissar kangaroo kitsch will cause you to be shunned by the Conservatives among us? Surely you're not afraid of little 'ol me!
When someone is WRONG on the basic facts, any attempt at deeper critical thinking falls flat because they will arrive at their conceptual conclusions based on misinformation. Such is the major flaw with Progressive/Marxi-t thought. The refusal to accept the FACT that sociali-m and Keynesian economics are historical failures leads these snobs to keep trying to force their failed beliefs on those who know and live the truth.
It's people like Belief who have ruined our schools and produced an entire generation of college graduates who sadly, think camping in Zuccotti Park and blaming the rich and banks for their student loans and inability to land a job represents an important "movement". Unfortunately, OWS more closely resembles a bowel movement and carries with it the same offensive effluvium.
My children and I refuse to play victims or allow the Left's ad hominems any impact in order to enable and empower those who wish to destroy this great nation. We have faith in God, faith in our own talents and abilities to know the difference between right and wrong and the passion and convictions to stand for a positive, productive future as American citizens. We will not go away. We will not give up. Truth will prevail.
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A Communi-t Idea,
Why don't you get your comrades to pool their money and but it yourselves? Oh that's right, because you are gutless, spineless parasites on society and expect government to do everything for you.
Let me remind you that our U.S. Constitution is still in force and I am willing and able to enforce my 2nd Amendment right in self-defense should you come up with another "bright" idea which might include stepping foot on my private property.
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no! i am not moving no matter what! the sunrises are too nice thank you.
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Now bridge mechanic, you know everybody likes you! Bayville couldn't survive without you.
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Lisa,
Goodness, I already knew you had a workable vocabulary however, it appears your reading comprehension is also limited.
it is quite clear from my explanation of income distribution that my political views are quite conservative. Only someone limited by a psychological ailing, indisposed, narcissistic personality could read otherwise.
Your vitriolic, malevolent, venomous remarks indicate a deep seated maladjusted dysfunctional, irrational personality trapped by the ability to effectively reason only in Maslow's lower level Hierarchy of Needs.
In words you may understand, you are deeply insecure and the malignancy is severe. Berating others provides temporary relief but the infliction always returns.
Denigrating and disparaging IB provided short-term comfort but eventually you must confront the source of your insecurity. No doubt something dramatic from your youth.
Good luck and best wishes on your journey.
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LMAO! Let's see, I post under my real name, provide links to back up my statements and am recognized as the "most intelligent IB critic in the country" by the Washington Post and Belief .....
.... Belief is some anonymous coward who has really and truly lost a grip of reality and who is so self-righteous and thick-headed that he refuses to see what is right in front of him. Quite sad, actually. I will pray for him.
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Here are some facts about IB LVCSD does not share. It starts out with PROOF that IB will increase college costs for most graduates, enjoy!
http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx
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How will the LVCSD pay for IB now that the US has cut off financial support to UNESCO?????
Since Palestine, a terrorist state, has been voted into UNESCO the US will not send 70 million to the United Nations Education Science and Cultural Organization, UNESCO.
UNESCO runs the IB programme.
UNESCO can not operate without US financial support
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http://conservativetalk.org/2011/11/07/obama-accused-of-sexual-harassment-at-harvard-law-review
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No wonder Lisa doesn't want to talk about the IB's growth. The number of IB Programs in the United States increased almost 40% in the last 5 years. There are now over 1300 IB schools in the United States
When LV introduced the program in 2005 there were only about 500.
Lisa you are doing a magnificent job curtailing IB's growth.
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
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Anonymous,
I'll be happy to discuss IB's pathetic "growth". In 2005, there were 540 IB DP schools. In 2011, as of today, there are 744. So in 6 years, IBO was only able to scam 200 HS's into purchasing its inferior programme. Considering there are approximately 20,000 public HSs in the U.S., IB still accounts for less than .04% of HS's in the country.
Over 16,000 HS's offer AP.
Seems to me our school taxes have risen more than 40% in those same 6 years.
The IB PYP and MYP are NOT curricula. Please don't even try and lump those purely indoctrination programs into the mix.
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Remember in 2004 when Robin Collitri from SouthSide HS told us that "ALL of the TOP high schools on Long Island are CLAMORING for IB! ........... remember that?
Let's see, in 7 years, the only other HS in Nassau County to "turn" IB has been Long Beach (and I'm pretty sure the $1.3M from the 2009 ARRA helped that along). Long Beach HS has made this year's NYS list of schools that still "need improvement". So I guess that means that it dooesn't count as one of LI's "top" Hs's. Hmmmm.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/106-li-schools-on-needs-improvement-list-1.3311270
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Wow, what an interesting site. What is exceptional is the increase keeps growing.
I was surprised to read that though the number of IB schools while still small( but growing fast )represent such a large percent of the top schools.
This really opened my eyes.
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Anon,
Are you referring to the "top schools" as determined by Newsweek (Jay Mathews' FINAL list in Newsweek in 2010 before it was sold in a fire sale for $1?)
What a joke!
A true Marxi-t love-fest. It disgusts me. Newsweek "We're All Sociali-ts Now" and its shills for the NWO can bite me.
2012 can't get here fast enough!
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"What is exceptional is the increase keeps growing."
Exceptional? Guess what else has kept growing? Our Federal deficit which is approaching $15 Trillion. Guess what the Anointed One packed into the 2009 porkulus bill, (ARRA)? Over $10 Billion for Title I schools which implement "innovative programs". This is nothing but social justice on steroids on OUR TAXDOLLARS and it must be stopped! Now that UNNESCO funding has been cut off, we are working on getting legislation passed which will prohibit the expenditure of U.S. taxdollars on IB.
This oh so altruistic, humanitarian, internationallyminded organization is only still in existence because it has been sucking up the Obama "stash". Why do you think IBO moved its "global centre" to Bethesda MD? I hear that IBO is over $100M in the red for its recent office expansions to The Hague and MD. I guess Jeffrey The Plagiarist Beard will have to buy a 4th house now.
Having a VP of the National Council of La Raza Chair IBNA Board is also a very politically "neutral" appointment, wouldn't you say? Combine that with the funding from the Aga Khan's Network and yes, I know I'm up against a LOT of money and power held in the hands of a TINY company. IBO has less than 400 employees.
If IB was the outstanding product it claims to be, ALL of the best private schools would be IB. IBO wouldn't need to be the parasite it is on U.S. taxpayers with over 40% of its "worldwide" schools concentrated in the U.S.
IB is unproven
IB is unreliable
IB is untrustworthy
IB is proprietary
IB is an NGO of UNESCO.
IB must go!
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IB is to education as Solyndra is to "green jobs".
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I had no idea IB was penetrating and growing so quickly. I think these are programs too. IB doesn't allow schools to just take a one off course.
This from the link above.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
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Trust,
Do you know how many PYP schools there are in the U.S. as of today?
297
Do you know how many public elementary schools there are in the U.S.?
approx. 40,000
That equals .007% of U.S. public schools OR, in other words, statistically insignificant.
IBO mandates that the PYP be implemented SCHOOLWIDE - in other words, there is no opt-out for students who attend that public neighborhood school.
There are zero reports proving that the PYP or MYP do anything to improve student academic performance.
IB PYP and MYP are a total waste of money for non-academic, social justice programs.
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We falling student achievement in NYS for the last 40 years and an ineffective State Regents and Dept. of Education, I am glad there is finally an organization, IB, that provided hope for the future.
I didn't realize it was growing so quickly in the Uniter States but I guess when you witness the steep decline of education in the United States it is time to look elsewhere. Clearly the model provided by the College Board and AP is not working.
It is comforting to know our School District realizes this. My only question is when will they implement IB in Middle, Intermediate and Elementary schools. For the sake of our children the sooner the better.
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Anonymous,
"We falling achievement"? What is that supposed to mean? Are you incapable of writing basic English? No wonder you are so enamored with IB as the Emperor with no clothes - here to save the day and indoctrinate the children.
Got Euro-envy much?
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NYS and the Department of Education have failed our children miserably. it is time for change. I am tired of hearing about the United States placing so far down the country lists in every category.
I don't know if IB will work but I know what we have now doesn't. We have been placed at a competitive disadvantage in a world wide economy.
I will ask Parent Councils to speak with their memberships about IB and asking the Board and the Administration to consider IB at the lower levels.
I don't want my child at a competitive disadvantage with the current "core curriculum" mandated by the federal government and the outdated formats dictated by the College Board.
Forty years of failure is enough.
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Anon,
I'm sorry to say, you are an idiot.
I will agree that the NYS Dept. of Ed has been a miserable standard bearer, especially when it comes to Math, but your complaints of what you "tire of hearing" are simply moans and groans from left-wing ideologues who want all the comfort of the teachers unions and the rewards of students who work really hard.
Are you talking about TIMMS? (I suspect you don't even know what that is, go look it up) To compare the U.S.A. to a country like Norway when it comes to education is absurd!No other country in the world has to deal with educating so many illegal aliens or with such a diverse population.
Why would you want to waste another (let's see, 5 more sites), that would be roughly another $750-800,000 a year for IB? WHY?
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Btw, what "outdated formats" are "dictated" by the College Board? You seem to have your dictatorial non-profits mixed up. The College Board's product, AP, is transparent, flexible and open to all. IB is inflexible and proprietary.
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Our educational system is broken, and everyone acknowledges it.
Reading, Math and Science scores are down in grades 3 to 12 and have been for over 20 years The College Board has dummied down the SATs since the 1970S and still scores are dropping.
Our Doctorate Programs in the hard sciences are now over 50% attended by foreign students and Apple recently opened up two new factories in China citing the lack of qualified engineers to manage operations in the United States.
IB would be a dose of fresh air and it certainly can't be worse than what we have now. Eduction is a national crisis.
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"IB would be a dose of fresh air and it certainly can't be worse than what we have now."
IB is stale 1948 sociali-t air. There's nothing 21st Century about IB.
Have you checked on the state of the EU lately?
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IB can not grow if the US has cut off UNESCO
UNESCO depends on the 70 million to run their programmes like IB
Sorry folks no money to UNESCO means no IB
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http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3016&mid=52
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So at the IB meeting at the school lastnight. the stats are this according to LVCSD!
the kids who took the IBD average was 4.7
low is 4 high is 7 which is RARE! so 4.7 according to schhol is llike a c?
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Haveyou,
Eh, you can't really equate it that way. The IB Diploma is awarded based on a range of 24 to 45 points. LVHS has consistently averaged a score of '29' for its diploma recipients.
This is not great. Schools like SUNY Binghamton and Towson University require a 30 or higher to award sophomore status. Ivy League universities or Oxford/Cambridge in the UK want scores of at least 37 or higher to be considered for admission.
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HELLO....IB IS BROKE WITHOUT US DOLLARS...LVCSD CAN NOT RUN THE IB PROGRAMME.
IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FEDERAL CRIME IF LVCSD CONTINUES TO RUN THIS PROGRAMME SINCE UNESCO VOTED IN THE PALESTINE STATE
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Dear Anonymous,
Although IB has formally agreed to promote UNESCO ideals and philosophy in its programs and is an NGO of UNESCO, IB exists as a separate non-profit. If you recall, I had attempted long ago to obtain a ruling from the NYS Commissioner of Education regarding the legality of spending U.S. taxdollars on a program which operates under Swiss Law, something the Commish begged off on claiming I had "no standing" at the time since my child was not enrolled in the program. This cop-out was later featured in the Eagle Forum, but in my mind, never resolved. http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2006/may06/IBSchools.html
It is up to the parents and taxpayers of this district to demand that LVCSD stop spending our money on IB. Let it be known that those who support IB and its operations, also support terrorism.
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the gist of what all the students who spoke the other night was that IB made them all become better time managers as the workload seems to be harder. I think thats a good thing, and will definitely benefit the kids when they go to any college .
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@KM
LMFAO
ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS AND TAKES ANY IB CLASS IB IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE WOULD WANT TO SUPPORT AN ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPORTS A TERRORIST STATE
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Hitler's youth corps had great time management skills too
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I spoke with an admission director when my son was accepted to Cornell a couple of years ago. She said don't quote me, as I need to work with all applicants, but IB is though of most highly. Apparently, some universities are more forthcoming.
IB programmes have been recognized and praised by admissions officers at a variety of prestigious colleges and universities.
Christoph Guttentag, Director of admissions at Duke University, has stated that “one of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its
structure and quality. It’s a coordinated programme, well established, well known and well respected. We know the quality of IB
courses, and we think the curriculum is terrific.” According to Jim Crowder, Director of admissions at Macalester College, “the IB
offers an integrated curriculum that provides students with the skill needed to be world-class scholars, and an educational phi-
losophy that prepares them to be first-class citizens. I do not know of a more comprehensive and appropriate learning model.”
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uPzsiWdvLoQ/TKMs-HeOt3I/AAAAAAAADSM/4Hbi7V11fOA/s1600/apartheid3.jpg
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Rather than looking at what IB offers for your children how about looking at where it is coming from!!!!!
Do all of you have your heads so deep in the sand that you have no idea at what is going on in this world today and for the past decades?????
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL6JK55ql1E
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yeah today I went fishin for the elusive BayvilleMoronFish, caught a pretty big one but I bet there's still bigger ones out there. Lets see what this cast yields.
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And imagine its That same AMERICAN constitution that WON'T ALLOW God in schools? Maybe that is what the problem is? Wonder if they ever did a study when they seperated Church and state and said no more Prayer in school what actually started happening with grades, morals, respect? Because what i see from som of the posts here the way other's reply
It's NO WONDER
Children today walk through our towns in groups very disrespectful! Psshhh funny how everyone thinks yea those kids!!!!! Maybe just maybe they might be yours? Or your friends?
Or heck even mine, but the thing is, mine aren't allowed to roam the streets! Nope! I remember those days all to well!!!!
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Anon,
IB counts on shallow saps like you to accept 19 year old "hearsay" from college admissions officers, most of whom aren't even working at the respective universities. Why would you do that? How about the words of what sounded to me, like a very sincere IB student (this was on Tumblr)
A note on IB
The International Baccalaureate Program was the biggest mistake I ever made. I wasted time, money and even my own sanity on this stupid, useless, unknown program. Now that I’m in college, I’m having to take all of these horrible core classes, because I couldn’t get college credit through IB. I barely took any APs, and the ones that I did take, apparently don’t matter.
I worked so hard trying to get As in Physics and English and History that by the time actual exam time came, I was burned out and unable to exert any kind of effort into my work. I hate it. And I will forever regret having done it.
I don’t care how smart you think you are or how talented and knowledgeable or hardworking you may be. IB will do nothing for you. AP is more reasonable, and PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I remember feeling so smart and confident in myself during Pre-IB. All of us IB kids felt this way. We’d look at all of the other ‘normal AP kids’ and feel superior. Well, guess who ended up doing better? There were so many horror stories. People dropping out like crazy. Some people not showing up for months. Nervous breakdowns! Do you know how many of my friends would tell me on a weekly basis that they could just break out in tears at any random time?
And anyone who had the guts to leave was seen as weak. Weak. I mean that just sums it all up. It’s like this everywhere now. Oh because China and India are ahead of us we have to start working like robots too. Freaking shut up. You think it’s all fine and dandy, then you take a moment and realize that all you’ve done is helped make your child unstable and in my case, depressed.
Yes, the majority of us graduated and went on to college, but I saw what it did to people. We all did a pretty good job of hiding it, but truthfully, it broke us. The saddest thing for me is that the truly brilliant ones, those who were good, honest and intelligent, the ones that I believe deserved to end up at Harvard and Yale—they’re the ones who were screwed over the most.
Forever bitter, and forever a hater. That will never change.
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Anon,
Your posts spoke VOLUMES!!!! thank you for being honest about yourself. and what you endured going thru the IB program. Although you'll still have those who think you were weak? But actually you are the strong one, and the brave one for Speaking up so others Do not have to go through what you did, and I thank you for doing so. I Pray you find peace that passes UNDERSTANDING!! human anyway!
Has anyone seen the film from the mother in california A race to nowhere?
it might be worth trying to see if any of the near by towns are showing it?
everyone is in a rush to get ahead? ahead of what? me? the next guy? Why? will that make u better? better then what? who? maybe smarter? smater then who? and why? to get a bigger house? nicer car? then me? then him? why? when do we say stop? when is enough enough?
when do we start helping those with less? those who suffer? who who are ill? those who spend endless days in a hospital waiting to see if their child gets better, using every medicine out their, yet know one go to their bedside because they are to busy trying to get ahead? we need to slow down and show compassion, empathy, what went wrong with the human race, have you seen the way some of YOU are speaking to eachother?
are you all angry at eachother over IB?
or can we treat each other with respect?
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Well this is interesting:
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/Agenda/10-19-11.pdf
2012-13 HS Course Proposals
October is an odd time to discuss that. When LVCSD brought IB into the HS, it used the exact same agenda topic in a January meeting. Could the Board be proposing the phase-out of IB?
Was anyone at the meeting? Of course, LVCSD hasn't posted the October Board Actions, so no info is available online.
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It is my understanding, based on what it perceives as superior results from the high school, Parent Councils are pushing the administration and Board to extend IB into middle school.
Supposedly, they have a lot of support and made a very strong presentation.
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Reasoning from the particular to the universal is a fundamental fallacy of logic.
The momentum of IB in this country is staggering. More and more schools adopt it each year. What is most impressive, is while only a small percent of high schools have adopted the program, thus far the percent of top high schools who have the program is very high.
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I have heard they are proposing to make everyone IB for English. Just a rumor, of course, as the truth is hard to come by..........
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The only people "staggered" by the "momentum" of IB in this country are the Progressive morons drunk on Kool Aid.
The MYP is NOT a curriculum and is nothing but a waste of money and additional international regulations on our public school. There is absolutely NO scholarly evidence to demonstrate that the IB MYP improves student academic performance. None, nada zip.
Did you read the post from the IB student, Anon? Doesn't the experience of kids who have suffered through this BS mean anything to you?
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Lisa,
As I wrote on my prior email reasoning from the particular (a student) to the universal (all or most students) is a basic fallacy of logic.
Beside I have literally spoken to dozens of IB students who sing the praises of the program.
IB will continue to grow and the rate of acceptance probably accelerate if for no other reason than the educational system in this is country broken and failing our students miserably.
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Anon,
You are an invisible nobody and your hearsay hearsay is meaningless.
IB will continue to decline (75 schools have dropped IB since 3/09) and fewer and fewer will seek authorization once the Progressives have been voted out in 2012. Right-minded Americans understand that we don't have money to waste on unproven, fringe programs with political agendas. Once the Federal social justice money is cut off, IB will be focusing its "expansion" efforts within Muslim countries (and the Aga Khan's Network) almost exclusively. Mark my words.
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I was at the " meeting" and as we watched the powerpoint and were told over and over again as mr bounospino? Well go over that "later" because he just rather go over the " powerpoint?
Ok here is where i felt the double talk came in, but the LVCSD is good at that! Lol
So they tell us the kids should really try for IBD bc they get 8 credits per subject that they will graduate college in 3 yrs , they get out earlier!
Ok up goes my hand! So but from my understanding i say many colleges in the USA do not recognize the IB program? Is this true? Plays a little stupid!!!
So dr mcquire responds with ..... Well first you need to see if the college ur child wants to attend does, but dont look at IB as a course that will get you out of college quicker, it is something that makes college easier for you to get through?
Ok either i totally heard wrong or they just double talked themselves!!!!
Parents had questions, legitamite ones and they THOUGHT it was best to have the kids in the the ib program now to answer them! To me they looked afraid to be real honest!!!!
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Haveyou,
That sounds fairly typical. IBelievers promote the IBDP as something that can earn students college credit (8 credits would ONLY apply to a 2 yr. HL IB exam which a student scored a '6' or '7' on) and sing the song of sophomore status, BUT - when a naughty parent like yourself DARES to question the validity of such claims, then IBelievers say, "Well, the point of the IBDP is really not to earn college credit but to become lifelong learners, develop higher critical thinking skills and be better prepared for university and you should really talk to the students to understand how wonderful IB is!"
Remember our 1st IB "vunderkind"? I won't name names, but he told me when he was old enough to vote he was registering as a Sociali-t and he ran for Student Council President as - "dictator". The kids voted for him because they thought it was a big joke.
IB is no joke. It has cost LVCSD taxpayers well over a million dollars so far. Mr. B. earns well over $130,000 a year to be the IB Coordinator, Model UN Club and IB Leadership Club Adviser.
Whenever the IB results are challenged, LVCSD boasts of the dumbed-down Regents exam results or the now defunct Newsweek rankings. Get rid of this anti-American, outrageously expensive program NOW!
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You had me laughing,
You actually repeated them exactely!!!
Sounds like youv'e been to those meetings often!!
Funny how lastnight i just found out how the football team gets all the equiptment paid for them, yet was it lacrose or field hockey doesn't could be both? Why is that?
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Haveyou,
I have had the pleasure and honor of being contacted by parents from across our great country with concerns about IB. As a result, I have been instrumental in encouraging parents to videotape these "IB Information Meetings". We have Facebook pages and many of these videos are making their way onto You Tube. What is interesting to me is how average Moms and Dads who completed college BEFORE THE INTERNET are teaching themselves how to use today's technology to expose IB's propaganda.
I will readily admit I'm no techno-genius. Everything I know I taught myself. I've taught others how to "screen shoot" pages which rapidly disappear off the Net to preserve for posterity. IB had the opportunity to grow from 2000-2008 when all of this technology was new and it was able to rely on its hearsay BS and Jay Mathews of Newsweek and WAPO to sing its praises.
I have faith that the majority of Americans are NOT as stupid as IB believes them to be. Of course, IF Obummer gets re-elected, I will have to change my opinion on that.
Oh and as to football, well, c'mon - testosterone, baby!
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Lisa,
Your quote: "IB WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE"
Read below, as you well know the the growth in IB is exploding, doubling in five years. You don't even fudge the truth, you just tell bold face lies.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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Anon,
Where are you getting your info from? Are you incapable of providing a link? And you dare to call ME a liar?
In 2005, there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S.
http://blogs.ibo.org/addressingaccess/files/2009/04/final-reportsri_lamar_hillsborough.pdf
As of today, 11/21/11, there are 744 IB DP schools in the U.S.
That's an increase of only 102 DP schools.
That's barely a 15% net increase. Within the same period of time, 34 HS's DROPPED IB.
Now you can continue to rant and rave about "the IB continuum" which is NOT a curricular continuum but rather nothing more than a cash cow continuum for IB, but I assure you not a single university in the country gives a damn about the IB PYP or MYP.
Funny how you left out the Upper St. Clair school district as one of the 11 districts which 5 yrs. later is STILL having a battle over IB after the ACLU lawsuit which cost the USC taxpayers over $300,000 in legal fees to fight the IB idiots.
http://upperstclair.patch.com/articles/district-considers-making-streams-elementary-an-all-ib-school
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I forgot to provide the link for today's IB DP count, my apologies:
http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=US®ion=&find_schools=Find
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Correction: the 642 DP count was for 2007-2008.
So in 4 years, the IB DP has only seen a 15% increase in its "gold standard" program in the U.S.
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Here is the link. However, what is really interesting is you used your own numbers to demonstrate your lie.
Lisa: "IB will continue to decline."
Lisa, a few posts later states:
In "2005 there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S. ..... As of today 11/21/11 there are 744 IB DP schools in the U.S......That is an increase of only 102 DP schools."
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
Note, my post and the link doesn't limit the increase to DP, it includes all programs. You choose the DP only since the growth rate is lower than the other programs.
However, forget that. Your own information and statistics demonstrates within the space of a few hours you change your story. By your admission after you say IB will continue to decline, you demonstrate it is growing by 15%.
Lisa, sorry but you totally lack credibility! Please be truthful.
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Anon,
You pulled the following from your IB link:
"Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled."
This is so typical of IB's disingenuous attempt to make itself appear popular and significant in terms of U.S. education.
The number of IBDP schools did NOT double, it didn't come anywhere CLOSE to doubling (which would be 100% increase). The DP is the ONLY IB "programme" which has ANY recognition with U.S. universities whatsoever. IF the IBDP was the spectacular program you seem to think it is, why would IB have to rely on its NON-ASSESSED/NON-ACADEMIC PYP and MYPs to substantiate its claim of "doubling" the amount of IB schools in the U.S.? Hmmmm? I chose to focus on the IBDP because it is the only IB program LVCSD has been stupid enough to waste our money and our student's educations on. 102 HS's out of 20,000+ nationally is hardly what I would call a stampede for IB. The 2009 ARRA provided Title I (poor/low achieving) schools the money to start-up IB and STILL all IB could muster was a measly 15% increase in the number of U.S. HSs.
BUT - the IB PYP is mandated to be implemented SCHOOLWIDE and the MYP is "recommended" by IB to be implemented SCHOOLWIDE - meaning that every single teacher, Principal, Librarian and IB Coordinator must receive the outrageously expensive IB training and every child must be submerged in IB indoctrination. This is where IB can rake in the big bucks and rip-off the American taxpayer under Title I "staff development".
IB doesn't provide a list of U.S. schools which have dropped IB due to its cost and unpopularity. I track them based on IB's web count and press-releases where available.
So if you want to split hairs, the actual count of IB schools hasn't actually declined, but it sure hasn't come anywhere near its claims of "doubling" its academic "prestige" as it relates to university recognition. IB has misrepresented the "success" of its DP by 85%. Talk about "curving" its numbers!
IB is a fad and a scam. IB is the "pet rock" of education.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell022604.asp
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Anon,
I do hope that when you withdraw money from your bank account, you realize that it represents a "decline" in your overall balance. You may deposit more than you withdrew on your next transaction, but the bulk of that deposit is covering your previous withdrawal. In other words, if every high school had been satisfied with IB over the past 5 yrs, IB would be able to claim 778 instead of 744 (-34) schools. That, my friend, is a decline in projected capital.
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Lisa,
No one is splitting hairs.
You were caught in a fold face lie.
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No, a fold [sic] face lie is what YOU presented by trying to claim IB has DOUBLED in popularity over the past five years by "folding" in apples with the oranges. THAT's not just a fold, that's a BOLD faced lie. I can demonstrate a measured DECLINE in authorized schools and I stand by my statement that despite IB's efforts to expand its junk left-wing indoctrination programmes to our youngest children, we will continue to see a DECLINE in the projected rate of expansion and an INCREASE in the number of currently authorized IB schools which decide to DROP it.
Why anyone would fight so hard to support an organization whose CEO is a plagiarist, affiliated with UNESCO which supports terrorists and whose IBNA Chair is also a VP for the radical Hispanic group La Raza is beyond me ....
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Lisa quotes
"IB will continue to decline.
In 2005 there were 642 IB DP schools in the U.S.... as of today 11/21/11 there are 744IB DP schools"
Call it fold or bold but it is a flat out lie.
If you want to concentrate on DP only that is your problem.
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http://talkstraight.tumblr.com/post/1220308982/terror-suspect-was-white-house-guest-and-recipient-of
One of many reasons IB , UNESCO, should not be in our public schools
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Skippy,
My focus, when it comes to debunking IB's fallacious claims of grandeur, is to demonstrate that IB's "promises" and usage of percentages to give the appearance of a much bigger "pie", are simply slick marketing tools that fools like yourself fall prey to.
Let's narrow our focus to only the public HSs in the U.S. which offer AP courses. That number is approximately 16,000. IB's burgeoning 744 schools account for barely 5%. After 44 years in business, billions in ARRA money and all of IB's self-raves and IB can still only convince 5% of the "challenging" districts in the country to sign onto IB's "philosophy"?
Sounds like a cult to me, Skippy.
Hey, let's occupy LVCSD - LVCSD is the 5% crony sociali-t UNESCO/Agenda 21 green sucking tax to death tree-hugging Wall St. banking greedy elite!
WE ARE THE 95%! LOL!
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Lisa,
This isn't about IB, it's about the veracity of your statements and your credibility.
The demonstrated fact is you cannot be believed.
You make up information and have been exposed as a lier.
No matter how hard you try and change the subject Anon caught you in a lie.
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Anon posting as Truth,
There's a huge difference between a lie, interpretation of statistics/semantics, exaggeration and deliberate misinformation and inaccuracies.
I lied about nothing. You cannot deny the FACT that 78 schools have DROPPED IB since March, 2009. IB's count DECLINED by 78 in the U.S. Did they swindle more schools into becoming authorized? Ayup. How long do you think those are going to last? Those IB REJECTED schools COUNT because they had already flushed hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, down the Swiss toilet. Btw, those 78 drops include all 3 programmes
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The net result of the adds and drops is that IB DP schools in the U.S. went up from 642 to 744.
Saying that "IB will continue to decline" is a deliberate lie. There is no other explanation.
You are exposed for what you are.
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There are 744 schools in this country going down the wrong path.
It all comes down to this....
UNESCO supports terrorism.
Any school affiliated with UNESCO supports terrorism
Why are American schools supporting terrorism?????
Why are American schools paying American tax dollars to to an organization that supports terrorism?????
Why are American parents allowing their children to learn from a program run by and organization that supports terrorism????
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1st Anonymous,
The next time you get a paycheck that was SUPPOSED to DOUBLE (according to your boss' 'word') and there's only a 15% increase, be sure to tell me who the real liar is.
Thank you Anonymous2. They are also being bred to implement Agenda 21. I fell asleep during the debate last night... did anyone mention Agenda 21 as a national security threat? I doubt "Blitz" would have asked about it.
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"You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct."
The Urantia Book, (180:5.2)
A blessed Thanksgiving to all.... (even the anonymous sh!theads who post on the Bayville Blab)
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The number of IB programs doubled. Fact!! You insinuated they went down.
The number of IB DP schools went up by 15%, you stated they declined. That is a lie.
You have been lying on the blog for years. Now there is objective evidence of your lying. Your credibility is shot.
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Truth,
Riddle me this:
IF IB had a ZERO rate of decline, wouldn't its growth rate for the DP have been greater than 15%?
The answer is YES, it would have been.
Therefore, there most certainly IS an element of decline. I stand by my statement that the rate of decline will escalate. Is the growth rate currently "outpacing" the rate of decline? Marginally. 15% over 4 years is only 3.75% per annum growth.
That's pretty pathetic for such a "prestigious" program.
The other 2 IB programs are complete and total junk and like I said, apples and oranges. You want to factor in doubling the junk, be my guest. All you have is a bigger dung pile.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Anyone know if Santa comes around on the fire truck on Thanksgiving? And if so, what time?
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Patriot,
Haha, remember the year Santa was drunk and fell off the fire truck?
Where will the Bayville Christmas tree be?
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You didn't say rate of decline will increase, you said decline. Another lie, to cover a lie.
There are always additions and subtractions in any growing metric. The net result either positive or negative gives us the trend. The trend for IB is DECIDEDLY up.
We need IB since the educational trend in the U.S. IS DOWN, DOWN DOWN.
We can no longer compete effectively in a global economy. Time to get rid of the Dept. of Education, the NYS Regents and above all the out dated College Board and AP Assessments which are running our country.
IB certainly will do no worse than these institutions and programs.
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http://www.genocidebangladesh.org
THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS NOT SUPPORTING PALESTINE
SAY NO TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE UNESCO/IB PROGRAMME WHO SUPPORT PALESTINE
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Anon,
Take a look at IB's "reception" in the UK .... not so good. This Euro-envy of yours is rather disturbing. You might want to seek help for that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030670/The-International-Baccalaureate-backlash-Scores-private-school-pupils-ditched-A-levels-fail-university.html
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Something must be done to save American education. Perhaps IB is the answer. Its results certainly can't be as bad as what we have now. At least IB teaches one to integrate information.
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@HEALTH
LOL
IB WILL NOT SAVE AMERICAN EDUCATION
IB IS DUMBING DOWN AMERICAN EDUCATION
THE IB PROGRAMME IS RUN BY AN ORGANIZATION, UNESCO, THAT SUPPORTS TERROISM
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The total number of IB programmes in the U.S. may almost double in the near future, reaching more than 2,000. There are
currently 520 candidates for authorization, and 507 have expressed interest in becoming candidates.
What are the prospects for future growth of IB programmes in the country?
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
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THE IB PROGRAMME IS RUN BY UNESCO
UNESCO IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM BY VOTING IN THE PALESTINE STATE
ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS IB SUPPORTS TERRORISM
ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT FUNDS IB SUPPORTS TERRORISM
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http://www.red-alerts.com/islamic-expansionism/the-bloody-legacy-of-arab-islam-in-africa/?mid=53
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http://www.americantaskforce.org/daily_news_article/2011/10/27/1319688000_5
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/31/us-could-withhold-funds-to-un-agency-after-vote-to-grant-membership-to
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/israel-and-palestine/111031/unesco-us-cuts-funding-palestine
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8913830/Mahmoud-Abbas-hails-new-era-of-partnership-between-Fatah-and-Hamas.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xO8qZP_iU9I#!
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http://truthaboutib.com/ibisunconstitutional.html
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a little something to think about fo those that support IB
http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/12/gingrichs-fresh-hope.php
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http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=1003&r=1
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258381/hamas-muslim-brotherhood-andrew-c-mccarthy
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150785#.Tuvlp5hpeIx
SAY NO TO IBO....WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO STOP SUPPORTING THIS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION
SOON WE WILL HAVE BUMPER STICKERS SAYING.....
LVCSD PROUD SPONSOR OF UNESCO AND THE PA
IGNORANT AND BLIND SUPPORTER OF HAMAS SINCE 2005
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http://patriotalliancepac.com/2011/12/the-apa-responds-to-sen-ted-lieu-over-tlcs-american-muslim
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This the muslim brotherhood folks.....supporting UNESCO brings this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075683/The-brave-women-Middle-East-Female-protesters-brutally-beaten-metal-poles-vicious-soldiers-drag-girls-streets-hair-day-shame.html
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NO MORE IB
ARE THE KIDS IN IB LEARNING THE TRUTH
GIVE THEM THIS ARTICLE
WAKE UP LOCUST VALLEY PARENTS
TAKE YOUR KIDS OUT OF IB
STOP SUPPORTING THIS PROGRAMME
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4165576,00.html
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Now, now, Anonymous! Why would you want to stifle creativity like this production of Occupy the North Pole by the IB World George School in Pennsylvania?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_wDYWrvU3ms
Ho Ho Ho - Merry Marxmas!
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Oh, Lisa, the liar, has returned. Remember Lisa telling us for years " IB will continue to decline"
Lisa you have lost all credibility. There is no veracity to your statements.
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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Truth,
Try to understand the following:
Between 2010 and today, IBO has authorized 65 NEW IB HSs.
Between the SAME period of time, 35 HSs got rid of IB.
That's a pretty crappy rate of retention. Over one step back for every two steps forward. Moore like a cha-cha than "leaps and bounds, I would say
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Please, you stated DECLINE. so YOU FLAT OUT LIED.
In addition you didn't specify IBHS. Instead you said IB declined.
Instead we now know in the last five years the number of IB programs has doubled.
And as to rate of retention it is based on the number of programs currently running. So if there were 1,205 IBHS PROGRAMS and 35 dropped the program that is a retention rate of 97.9% (35/120), which by any standard is an excellent retention rate, especially when the program added 65 new programs .
Please stop lying either directly "IB DECLINED" or by deliberately misstating and misguiding readers as to the rate of retention.
I think you have inadvertently succeeded in pointing out the success of IB.
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Oh UNTruth,
You are just such a silly, silly, little person. Are you unaware of the tides, the ebb and flow, so to speak? Are you mentally incapable of understanding that this non-brick and mortar "programme" comes and goes as quickly as the changing tide? Does the word "decline" bother you" Would you prefer if I said IB has a serious "ebbing" problem?
There were NEVER 1,205 IB DPs in the U.S.! NEVER! The total number of DP's in the U.S. as of today is 749:http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=DIPLOMA&country=US®ion=&find_schools=Find so go re-do your IB math!
In fact, I have no idea where you are getting that 1,205 number from in the first place!
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And stop mixing apples and oranges. I will fight the IB PYP and MYP nationally because they are truly the scam/indoctrination cash cows for IB. But the IB Diploma Programme is what we have in Locust Valley and what we the taxpayers are shelling out over $300,000 a year for (including exam fees) and it is the IB Diploma Programme to which I refer when I speak of the DECLINE of its alleged "DOUBLING". The IB DP has NOT DOUBLED in U.S. HSs in the past 5 years. To claim otherwise is a bold faced lie.
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ah ha .... just figured out where UNTruth got his number from:
http://www.ibo.org/iba/countryprofiles/documents/UnitedStatesCountryProfile.pdf
630 to 749 is NOT DOUBLE! And the funny thing is, even if you go all the way back to 2000, IB had roughly 480 IBDP schools in the U.S. - and its STILL nowhere near double!
It's pathetic.
IB is a fringe, expensive, politically left-wing UNESCO affiliated organization that should not be the beneficiary of a single U.S. taxdollar. Period. Get rid of this junk education!
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The link you posted above has already been posted three times in the past on this blog.
My posts always stated IB programes. I NEVERr said IBHS doubled.The quote and reference is again stated below. It is you you mix and match IBDP with the total IB programs.
The following published information flies in the face of your lies. With your veracity destroyed by this exposure nothing you post any longer has credibility.
Over the past five years, the total number of IB programmes in the US has
doubled. The MYP and PYP have expanded exponentially since 2005,
and the DP has also continued growing at a fast pace.
2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010
DP
TOTAL MYP PYP
There are currently 1, 207 IB World Schools in the U.S., 1,100 (91%)
of which are public. All of these schools are implementing 1,367 IB
programmes (given that some schools implement several at once).
The Diploma accounts for more than half of all IB programmes in the U.S.
Only 11 IB World Schools in the country implement the entire continuum
of IB programmes, and five of these are public: Discovery Canyon Campus
in Colorado Springs, Colorado, IDEA College Prep in Donna, Texas, Lehigh
Valley Academy Regional Charter in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, North
Hills Prep in Irving, Texas, and Westlake Academy in Westlake, Texas.
DISTRIBUTION OF IB PROGRAMMES
MYP
30%
DP
52%
PYP
18%
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And once again ..... let me repeat ....
Nobody CARES about the number of crap IB elementary and middle school "programmes" DOUBLING when it comes to evaluating the WORTH and VALUE of IB.
Try and understand the following. You can compare IB to pet rocks, although IB's "life cycle", imho, has been longer and has entered the maturity phase:
http://courses.unt.edu/kt3650_9/sld004.htm
Note what the final stage is, UNTruth. Decline.
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Lisa,
Deflect all you like, the fact is you lied, and you were caught.
Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age. It will help them integrate information and learn to think, and awaken a desire of "knowledge for knowledge sake", the highest form of learning.
My goodness, you link to an elementary marketing life cycle curve as if this is a revelation.
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the bottom line
UNESCO voted in the Palestinine state (terrorist)
America is no longer funding UNESCO because America does NOT support terrorist (agreement that if any UN organization votes in the PA USA will not support that organization ie: UNESCO and possibly the UN)
UNESCO can NOT operate without Americas 70 billion
LVCSD supporting terrorism for over 5 years come and join us in the
"Grand Return" of IB being held in LVCSD!!!!
Does that mean the grand pooba of IB is coming?
Could IB enrollment be declining in LVCSD that the district needs to have a "Grand Return" ?????
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UNTruth spewed:
"Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age."
Perhaps you can work as a consultant to IBO to develop pre-natal software to teach unborn babies "how to think" .... the IB way.
Yeah, I saw that Jan 5th IB "event". Maybe I'll attend.
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Lisa,
Deflect all you like, the fact is you lied, and you were caught.
Frankly, I am glad more and more children are introduced to IB at an earlier age. It will help them integrate information and learn to think, and awaken a desire of "knowledge for knowledge sake", the highest form of learning.
My goodness, you link to an elementary marketing life cycle curve as if this is a revelation.
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again....so LVCSD is spending 200 grand plus a year to an organization UNESCO that supports terorists????
the US government stopped all finaincial support to UNESCO but yet is funding the IB programme????
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UNTruth,
Stamping your feet like a little girl and screaming "Liar liar pants on fire" hardly helps your pitiful position.
YOU and IB are the liars. The number of IB Diploma programs has NOT DOUBLED in the past five years, not even close! Unable to market its "premier product" successfully, even with all of Obama's ARRA money to socially engineer our poorest schools, IB barely mustered a 20% gain in the ONLY one of its "programmes" that can be considered a curriculum.
Who's been "caught" exaggerating the Truth? Oh .... you have!
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Lisa,
Another lie. No one claimed IBDP doubled. The total IB programs doubled and that is what was/is posted.
A 20% increase for the Diploma program is actually quite good. How many people had a 20% increase in income? How many products experienced a 20% increase in sales, the stock market is actually down over 20%.
It is interesting you mention "a curriculum", since AP is neither a programme or curriculum.
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http://popwatch.ew.com/2011/12/27/victoria-jackson-muslim-politichicks
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20% increase over 5 years is good? I'm pretty sure our teachers received approx. 4% increases annually when you factor in Steps.
IB LOVES to throw around percentages because it sounds so much bigger than actual numbers.
749 IB HSs in the entire U.S.after 43 years in business.
And LVCSD is one of those suckers. So embarrassing.
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Btw, UNTruth, considering there is not a single IB PYP program on Long Island and the only MYP is in Mr. Hunderfund's former district, Commack, I'm pretty sure most LVCSD residents reading this forum would only think of IB in terms of its HS program - you know, the one Robin Collittri of SouthSide told us back in 2004 that "ALL of LI's top HS's are clamoring for". Seems to me, the only Nassau County HS that has "clamored" for IB in 7 years is Long Beach and that is only because it was able to land $1.3M of Title I money under the ARRA.
Is Jericho IB? No. Syosset? No. Wheatley? No. Roslyn? No Cold Spring arbor? No Manhasset? No Great Neck? No North Shore? No. Even Glen Cove and Garden City rejected IB (with my help).
All talk, no substance. We've really had enough of your disinformation and BS. Take it back to Switzerland.
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Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well.
The most improved, and one of the best high schools on LI, is South Side. I guess it slipped your mind when you were listing top LI schools.
You are so devious, you just can't give an accurate and truthful picture.
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UNTruth wrote:
"Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well."
Tell that to KMart and Sears.
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Tell that to KMart{SIC} and Sears.
If sales at K-Mart and Sears, both owned by parent company, Sears Holding, doubled over five years, and their core offerings increased by 20%, they would not be closing stores and the stock price would not be falling.
In fact, same store sales year over year are flat to down. When you don't directly lie you write misleading information. You are NOT BELIEVABLE.
For an example of what happens when sales double (all products) and core offering (print publications) increase by 20% look at what is going on with on-line retailer, Amazon.
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The Truth is
If this school district would educate themselves on what is going on in the world today ths IB programme would not be an issue.
LVSD should comply with the fereal government and not support this programme.
STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISM THROUGH THE IB PROGRAMME
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UNTruth,
Oh dear. I see you failed to grasp my analogy entirely. I normally don't care for Wikipedia as a source, but I would like you to think of Sears as IB and KMart as the Aga Khan's Development Network:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Holdings_Corporation
IBO in 2010, is where Sears WAS in 2005:
The two companies cited several reasons for combining forces:
Sears had begun investing in new, larger off-mall stores, called Sears Grand. Earlier in the year, Sears had purchased dozens of current Super Kmart locations; the merger permitted the combined company to accelerate that process.
Proprietary brands held by both companies could be made more accessible to their target demographics by leveraging their combined real estate holdings. This was estimated to be an expected $200 million a year in revenue synergies.
At least $300 million a year in cost savings was expected annually, particularly in the supply chain and in administrative overhead.
The establishment of a shared customer-focused corporate culture between the two companies was estimated to yield improvements in revenue per unit area.
Preservation of two brands after the merger allowed Sears Holdings to continue focusing on different customer demographics, without alienating either group.
Btw, I heard from a former IB employee in Geneva that IBO is over $100M in the red after opening its two new "global centres".
IB is simply an overly expensive product with very limited appeal. It should be up to the taxpayers to be able to decide whether or not we want to keep buying this product. Unfortunately, our former Commissioner of Education ruled otherwise so now we must count on our new BoE members to lead the charge to end IB.
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Stop the analogy B.S. You post is referenced below:
Yes, any organization that more than doubles its service, product or curriculum while increasing its core 20% is doing very well."
Tell that to KMart and Sears.
Now you try and pass off a comparison to an unsuccessful merger. An IBO MERGER WAS NEVER MENTIONED.
Furthermore, the resulting merger of Sears and K-Mart was unsuccessful, and did not result in a doubling of sales and a 20% increase in the core business. There are no grounds for a comparison.
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UNTruth,
Not my fault if you are ignorant of IBO's business transactions. The MoU with the Aga Khan was signed in 2010. Sears/KMart EXPANDED its holdings as a result of the merger, as did IBO. Now Sears/KMart are on the DECLINE, as is IBO. IB has had a 53% (35/65) diminished growth in its Diploma program in the last 3 years.
And let me ask you something - what do YOU have against AP? What do YOU have against providing LVHS students greater college-credit opportunity, flexibility and breadth of knowledge? What do YOU have against saving money?
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Stop the nonsense, pure B.S.
There was never a reference to any merger either by K-Mart or IBO. The reference was to doubling overall growth and increasing the core by 20%.
What told that the above metric was very good, your reply was to look at K-Mart/Sears. The problem is K-Mark DOESN'T FIT THE METRIC - IT has little to no growth over the past five years.
Then out of nowhere you insert the similarity of mergers. Of course, some mergers are successful, and some aren't. The fact that the K-Mart/ Sears merger was unsuccessful has nothing to do with the success, or lack of success, of another merger, be it IBO or any other organization.
Your M.O, when caught in a lie, is to just sling out crap and divert attention from the lie.
My point in posting has nothing to do with AP, or IB for that matter. It is to point out your blatant lies.
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UNTruth,
And because of your ignorance and inability to see the economic parallels, all you can do is accuse me of lying.
That's a very poor rebuttal. You lose. If your point in posting has nothing to do with what's BEST for the taxpayers and students of LVCSD and only to troll my comments, well, that's pretty sad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_1q_YdTMVQg#!
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Dear IBO Must Go,
That's a great short on Agenda 21 and ICLEI. Unfortunately, most of the IBelievers around here and everywhere will accuse you of seeing black helicopters and in need of a tinfoil hat. I certainly hope our own Bayville Village Board is "alert" to infiltration attempts by ICLEI. I pointed out that little anti-smoking on Bayville beaches pitch I am sure is in some way tied into ICLEI. Restrictions on our liberties, more regulation in the name of "saving the environment", takeover of our water and land resources ....... WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
2012 is it, man. Stop globalist takeover of American liberties NOW or become the lost Republic.
"A revolution without dancing, is a revolution not worth having." ~V
Welcome 2012!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYtCanpBhVg&feature=share
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How long before LVHS tries to pull this same stunt as SouthSide HS?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/all-south-side-high-students-to-take-ib-class-1.3422697
I sure hope some RVC parents decide to sue! How can that possibly legal for special needs students? IDEA anyone? You can't FORCE public school students to take an "advanced" course! Let's just totally frustrate and set kids up for failure, what a great idea ...... NOT!
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Okay, I just subscribed to Newsday to get the whole article:
Anna Hunderfund, superintendent of the Locust Valley schools, said she has no plans to make any IB class mandatory because she worries that some courses might be too tough for some students.
Locust Valley has had the IB program for seven years; more than 70 percent of its juniors and seniors take at least one IB course.
"The question is what the children can handle at any one time," Hunderfund said. "I think it's better for the kids to enroll in and be exposed to the most rigorous curriculum as long as they can handle it. But it is an individual decision for the student and their families. Kids mature at different speeds and excel at different things. What may come easily to one child might not to another."
Good move Anna. Now get rid of this junk program altogether!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ifnJEFRvYus#!
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http://www.jailedteacher.com/category/sexual-crimes
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That reminds me .... what's the status of the Benstock case?
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Good question!! I too not that long ago googled too see if i could find any info! Not a thing!
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To find out IF the case is going to trial one just needs to call the DA's office.
Benstock hired a very slick attorney. I would imagine the defense will try and drag it on.
Meanwhile, he was suspended from teaching but the district is required by law to pay his salary, and of course the district must replace him and pay that teacher's salary as well.
The NY Dept. of Education and the DA'S office cares little if at all about the children or the expenses the taxpayers bear as they refuse to at.
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Is IB like this today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhHMWSgFw3M&feature=related
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This IB program sounds really scary. I have 2 children in the elementary school and I hear so many mixed messages about the IB program. One child is a good student, but the other has an IEP for a learning disability. School is hard enough for her now. Anybody have a similar situation?
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My kids are in the MS and I'm also hearing horror stories about the IB program. Does anyone know what percentage of the HS students participate in IB?
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I was also wondering if students can still take AP exams? If so does the district provide any AP test prep?
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Hi Bayvillemom
I have a DD with an IEP also! I also worry about her, knowing full well that if they are not " honor" students they pretty much get pushed on through UNLESS you are an in the face parent!
Now about benstock, i reallly need to laugh, because he hires an really good attorney with our money, after playing poking games with some of my kids!!
Yeah real nice!
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A better question might be the actual number of students who participate in IB? Percentages alone can be misleading.
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Bayville parents of younger children,
I have documented LVHS IB results for all six graduating classes here:
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
Last year, administration insisted that a number of non-IB, Regents level students take the AP exam. You can see the horrific results on the above link.
LVCSD decided we the taxpayers should pick up the bill for AP/IB exams - exams which students are NOT being prepared for.
I attended the IB Alumni Forum the other evening. I was embarrassed for the students who sat up on the stage for all 11 people that showed up. I do not want to disparage any of the students. They are the victims of this outrageously expensive, educational scam. The vast majority of the students who sat on the stage said, "The Diploma doesn't matter because you don't even get the scores until AFTER HS graduation and college acceptance." This is true! And if a student's SAT/ACT/GPA doesn't stack up, the "projected" scores for IB are considered dubious by college admissions officers. Many students also said that they encountered admissions departments that never heard of IB.
Doubt IB!
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Lisa,
I went to your website!
WoW!! I will agree one of my kids rt now has been in the AP WORLD history, now i am not sure if its just that teacher, or the subject as a whole, but talk about overwhelming 1child?
On top of all the other honor classes, it's a joke!
Because i bet if you asked any of those kids being OVERWHELMED in that class and their are others us mom's talk, they do not know anything! So when exam time come's it will not surprise me they know nothing!
And try and explain that to a school district that is only worried about getting kids into honor, IB and AP classes even if they are not learning anything!!
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Dear Haveyouwalkedthruhalls,
My daughter was the 1st "guinea pig" class of 9th Graders who took AP World History - for 2 years. Two different teachers and an extremely "Islam-friendly" textbook. Check your child's textbook. She managed a '3', but that didn't help her with credit for college.
If you and other pre-IB Moms would like to get together to discuss HS options, contact me at info@truthaboutib.com and let's set something up. The 11th and 12th grade "Honors by Achievement" option is a joke. Since Judy Marino left, I don't believe there is an administrator in charge of curriculum. While I am not opposed to the elimination of the Asst. Supt. position, there should be some sort of Curriculum Deans in the district, monitoring results and teaching materials. I remember one year when not a single one of the 17 students who took the AP U.S. History exam passed! That makes me question if LVCSD deliberately placed the worst SS teacher in AP, in order to make IB look better!
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Why should the taxpayers foot the bill for AP/IB exams, especially since it seems that the district pushes students to take the IB program regardless of whether it's appropriate for that student. That's an expense each family should assume for their child. I wonder how much that's costing us!
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Lisa,
You are a shameless liar. I also was at the IB Alumni Forum and it was quite clear the students overwhelmingly believe IB is a terrific academic program and a great help to their success in college. In fact, many said it was IB THAT BEST PREPARED THEM FOR COLLEGE.
Most received some college credits, and one student received 27 credits (skipped a year undergraduate studies)and another skipped a semester. MAny received 12 credits and for others introductory courses were waved. One student mentioned taking IB Math made second year college calculus easy. Others said the science courses were hard and not for them and so they took HL courses in the soft sciences. One student said it was a mistake for her to take HL Math.
Many also said they believe IB courses are superior to AP since IB teaches you how to think. These are the words and opinions of students who actually took the courses.
Not a single student said "the diploma doesn't matter. Two students, when prompted by a question from your surrogate, said the grades aren't received until August, However, the students also said the fact that a student was a diploma candidate was factored into acceptance. Furthermore, once the IB grades were received by the college credits were issued according to its policy. By the way, AP grades aren't received until the end of July and college credits aren't issued for AP until then.
These students were accepted to excellent schools.
Least anyone believes Lisa, I asked Dr. McGuire if the forum was taped. It was and if any parent wishes to see it they can.
Also parents should talk with IB Alumni, they can tell you how they feel about the program. The overall clear message from these alumni is that it is a great program.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE go see the tape and judge for yourself. it is a public document.
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My "surrogate", Jack? You mean a HS parent who also happens to be a teacher? That surrogate?
You are wrong, Jack. Several of the students said it "the diploma doesn't matter". I would urge LVCSD to post the footage to its website. I filmed only 3 short segments. I didn't post them to TAIB because I was concerned with student privacy, but I will now reconsider.
What about IB "Moonshine" who spoke of how depressed, stressed and totally overburdened she felt taking two "hard" IB courses which she dropped. She advised the audience "to take the easiest IB courses just so you can get through it".
Most disingenuous was Mr. B's repeated mention of IB Further Mathematics. Less than 100 students IN THE ENTIRE WORLD took IB Further Mathematics. LVHS administered the IB Further Mathematics exam to ONE student. This is the SAME student who took several AP exams independently. Are you going to tell me that LVHS ran an IB course for ONE student and that student was only able to score a '2', Jack?
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I learned something new today! I learned that The College Board pays a stipend to the teacher who co-ordinates the AP exams! Too bad IB doesn't pick up Mr. B's salary!
And while a student may not receive their AP results until July, due to AP's flexible nature, a student could be an AP Scholar with Distinction (5 exams) by the start of their senior year before they make application to university!
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"Many also said they believe IB courses are superior to AP since IB teaches you how to think. These are the words and opinions of students who actually took the courses."
Riiggght. And they would "KNOW" this .... how? Certainly not because they were able to COMPARE the two courses from experience! They claimed they "know how to know because IB taught them how to know". What a load of bull! That's called BRAINWASHING, Jack.
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See, now you did it Jack. Now I have to share the videos I shot. I should have taped the whole thing, I apologize for being a lousy videographer. I never took IB Video.
I particularly like the recommendation to "go do chemical explosions". That's great!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2062.mov
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2064.mov
http://truthaboutib.com/images/100_2065.mov
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Anonymous:
Thank you for pointing out blatantly biased and prejudicial information. From the above clips, it is clear how beneficial and efficacious IB is to personal development, responsibility, maturity, and pertinent knowledge.
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Bob,
Your comment was meant to be sarcastic, right?
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Efficaciousness must be in the eye of the IBeholder.
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Lisa,
These are the negative comments? This is the best you could do? They sound very positive to me. From these clips it's clear the students find the IB program very valuable. I can only imagine what the positive comments you choose not to post sound like.
Glad to hear the comments directly from the students. I hope the district is able to post the entire forum.
Lisa, it appears you are a walking advertisement for IB. You make the case for them.
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Lisa,
Call me Jack if you like. I suspected, since he was there and the post was accurate and detailed, you would think it was he. Sorry, but you are not as observant as you think and your ability to deduce has always been weak.
Sounds like these students appreciate and respect IB. However, they tell us that to be successful in the program you need to develop time management skills, work hard, invite challenges and deal with stress. Sounds like college and the work place.
You make the case for IB. Did IB hire you? You know, sort of like a like a double agent.
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Believe,
Actually, I missed filming what could be considered the more negative comments from the forum. The above clips were a small sampling of the "show". For the sake of transparency, it would be lovely if LVCSD posted the entire video to its website. I doubt it will.
As I stated above, it is not my intent to disparage or demean our students. Our students SHOULD be celebrated. Do you honestly BELIEVE that prior to IB, LVHS never graduated students who went on to Ivy League schools? Who were AP and National Merit Scholars? Students who were Intel semi-finalists? Students who earned large scholarships and who credited excellent teachers for their success? All without IB?
Do you think the Ward-Melville district has to trot out all of its Intel finalists every year to try and convince students and parents of the "value" of its science research program? Do you think ANY of those Intel semi-finalists or finalists would tell fellow students to "do the easiest project you can" just to get through the program? I don't.
LVHS stopped celebrating the success of our students in its halls with the arrival of Dr. Shear. Walk into Wheatley HS. Surrounding the auditorium are beautiful large photos of the cast and crew of every HS musical, going back over 20 years. What's in the halls of LVHS? Cheap, tacky, framed prints of "character" sayings. LVHS doesn't even have science fairs anymore. Why?
Every HS has a top 10%. Where are the 'mean' SAT stats for LVHS? Have they risen since the introduction of IB? How do the SAT scores of the IB Diploma students compare to those of the top 10% from LVHS pre-IB? How does the rate of acceptance to Ivy League universities compare? Are 20-25% of our graduates still attending Nassau Community College?
I could go back through the graduating classes from the 90's and cherry pick the most successful LVHS graduates and trot them out on stage to demonstrate how unnecessary IB is, if given the opportunity. I could go back to the 70's and feature students from my graduating class at Oyster Bay HS who, after going through HS on split sessions, went on to become world famous musicians, reporters, doctors, psychiatrists and lawyers.
We have wasted millions on IB. Enough is enough.
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I wonder why NONE of the 48 full LVHS IB Diploma candidates who spent their final two years of HS in IB yet failed to earn the IB Diploma weren't "featured" in the forum? Because that would be fair and balanced and we can't have THAT, can we?
As I said, a district can "cherry-pick" students to make the worst program in the world appear good. Now that Newsweek no longer features Jay Mathews' vapid list of Best High Schools, LVCSD will have to find some other PR gimmick to highlight IB. Good luck with that.
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Dr. McGuire was at a large Parent Council meeting this morning and said the district plans to link the entire IB Forum meeting on the web site.
You have always complained about the school district and yet we have have one of the finest school districts in the country.
SAME TIRED OLD STUFF, OVER AND OVER.
Now the students have spoken and you just come up with more excuses and lies.
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As I said, I HOPE the district does post the entire 2 hr. video ... UNEDITED. I just looked at the Class of 2012's college acceptances. Notably absent:
Harvard
Yale
Brown
Columbia
NYU
MIT
Georgetown
American University
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
Sarah Lawrence
(those are just off the top of my head)
You mean to tell me no one applied to those schools?
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Believe,
I am not the one providing "excuses" for wasteful spending and indoctrination and I certainly am not the one spreading "lies". Sure, the students spoke about how "easy" it was for them to write essays in college. Whoop-de-do. Did we get to read any of those essays? We got to listen to students rather inarticulately proclaim how TOK taught them to "know how to know". Too bad not a single IB Diploma grad met NYS requirements for HS graduation which requires a .5 year of Economics and a .5 year of Participation in Government.
As my dear departed mother-in-law used to say, "Self-praise is no praise".
Cherry pick and selectively highlight all you want. The truth will set you free. I notice you didn't answer a single one of my questions regarding mean SAT scores or Ivy League acceptance above. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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Lisa,
What a joke? "Did we get to read these essays?"
What are you credentials? You don't even have a college degree, no less an advanced degree in education. Stop and look at what you really are, a college dropout criticizing quality students attending quality colleges and universities.
As to articulation, I have heard you speak. These young adults are far more articulate than you could ever hope to be.
Who are you to proclaim these successful students
'inarticulate". If i were one of their parents I would personally confront you.
All of these students did meet NYS requirements for graduation or they wouldn't have graduated. It is disgraceful you consciously and willingly disparage these excellent students.
I so look forward to seeing the entire forum on-line. I was already greatly impressed from the positive clips you consider negative.
Get a life Lisa, and stop attacking our excellent students. You might state by getting your own degree instead of misrepresenting yourself.
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UnTruth,
Have you ever read any IB Extended Essays, Untruth? Of course not! Because they are IB's protected intellectual property! Are you aware that NYS DoE does not employ anyone to see if IB curriculum aligns with NYS HS graduating requirements? Are you aware that NYS merely takes the word of the Principal and Superintendent who sign the diplomas that NYS standards have been met? Do you think this might explain why one of our very brightest students had to take a summer course at Duke because he had not been taught the basics in Economics at LVHS?
Unlike you, anonymous coward, I post under my real name. I am a Mom, an American taxpayer and a 35 year resident of Bayville. Where have I misrepresented myself - EVER? Both of my children earned their BA's in 4 years. I have supported science and the arts in this district FOR DECADES! I have advocated for children with special needs and called for transparency and accountability which is sadly scarce not only in this district, but in MANY public school districts around the country. I politely listened to the presentation and I am entitled to my opinion that when it comes to public oratory, only the student from S. Africa came across as particularly eloquent. I suppose you think Obama is a great orator as well! Without his teleprompter, he's not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't have David Letterman's credentials.
The only reason LVCSD trots out former IB students to "sell" IB is so that if God forbid someone dares to criticize the IB program, they can turn around and say that person is "attacking IB students". SHAME ON YOU, UnTruth! I stated first and foremost it is not my intent to demean the students. They are the victims of a system intent on using the Delphi Technique to silence opposition.
I wish EVERY graduate well in their future endeavors. But to claim that IB is the be all and end all and the ONLY reason LVHS students go on to university "prepared" is disingenuous. For the 19 students on the stage, there are 48 who I guarantee would not be singing IB's praises.
Now why don't you grow a spine and sign your real name, coward?
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But you did demean the students. You the college dropout, talked of them "inarticulately" proclaiming.
Of course you continue to lie, lie lie.
It was the students who said after experiencing the challenges of college that IB helped them prepare for the rigors of college.
You degrade our students. I am surprised the parents gave you permission to make your clips public. I'm certain they didn't expect you to publicly state they are inarticulate.
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One thing is for sure, they were more articulate than you, UnTruth.
It was a public event. No permission needed. But, on the chance that some a-hole like you decides to pull some legal crap, I will now remove the footage.
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On second thought:
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You see, in this day and age of OWS, I don't find it particularly amusing that an IB student in a public forum would recommend that fellow students should go do "chemical explosions" ... in the name of IB. I don't know the student's name, no programs were handed out, if it was supposed to be a joke, I'm not laughing.
I highly doubt LVCSD will ever place the video on its website and if it does, I'm willing to bet they edit out that student's comment. Wanna bet me, Jack?
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I have no idea of the legality of posting clips of our students, without permission and serendipitously taken, but it is certainly obnoxious.
Insulating them just adds insult to injury. This is over the top, even for you Lisa.
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I have no idea the legality of posting clips of our students, without permission and serendipitously taken, but it is certainly obnoxious.
Insulating them just adds insult to injury. This is over the top, even for you Lisa.
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Believe,
You are an idiot. LVCSD using my tax dollars to promote IB, while using students who advocate setting off "chemical explosions" is not only irresponsible, it could be considered educational neglect on the part of the district. You think that was a "smart" statement? You think that was "eloquent"? You are a moron!
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http://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/news.html#2011_story1
Public Bodies Required to Allow Photographing, Recording and Broadcasting of Public Meetings
The Legislature amended Open Meetings Law §103 to confirm judicial decisions concerning photographing and recording open meetings of public bodies. In short, the courts determined that anyone may record open meetings, so long as use of a recording device is not disruptive or obtrusive. Public bodies are now required by law to allow meetings to be photographed, broadcast, webcast or otherwise recorded and/or transmitted by audio or video means. The new provision also states that public bodies may adopt reasonable rules governing the use of cameras and recording devices during open meetings, in which case such rules must be conspicuously posted and provided to those in attendance upon request.
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Anyone (except you) who views the clip understands what this student is saying, and it certainly isn't threatening. I am sick that you continue to attack her and ridicule our students as being inarticulate.
However, you have now publicly demonstrated who and what you are. Keep taking secret clips of our students and attacking them if it makes you feel good but demonizing these accomplished students is deplorable.
Go Locust Valley students!!!! The rest of the community supports you and we are very proud of you.
END OF STORY.
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So now i need to say something, and i just happen to find this WS by chance one day, after doing a search on LVCSD, because i did not like what i saw as a parent! So i found this site by chance,
I have sat in the OPEN forum where the kids in 12 grade get to talk about their expierence in the IB program, and as a parent i thought wow these poor kids are programmed!
I went in thinking my child would be doing IB HL, that is the reason i attended the meeting!
But after it was over, i was very discouraged! If you the kids to be honest, ask for them to be on a contact list for parrnts and future kids interested in IB, that way we as parents and kids can talk to these 12 graders alone without the school knowing who contacted who, so they would not feel pressured to sing praises to IB!
Truthfully i really doubt any kid would go up their in front of dr m, and mr b, and say don't do it, its the worst mistake of your life!
They would not, lets all be honest here and fair!
If you think otherwise then you need to get ur head out of the sand!
I lisa to lisa and she makes some interesting points and all i do is see ppl belittle her? That's your rebuttal to her postings? You by the way make her look like she knows more about what she is talking about that way!
Lisa looks like you are passionate about how you feel about IB !
Keep it up!
About the SS ap exam! Thanks for the offer! I just saw that post!
I also agree with you when you say ( when you walk down the halls in locust valley school and what do you see on the walls? Right now and for quite sometime nothing!
Right again!
Yet have you gone to an award ceremony?
Yeah lets award our kids for something they should be doing in the first place, who decides who was most improved?
Who decides who tried the hardest?
Please!!! And mine GOT awards!
And watch them read off the names, yes the educators in our school, cannot spell or prounce a students name ? LOL
The whole school does nothing but PUFF themselves up!
Someone needs to deflate them!!
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Thank you, Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls.
"Keep taking secret clips of our students and attacking them if it makes you feel good ...." -Believe
Oh for the love of Pete, give it a rest! LVCSD is a PUBLIC school district, not a private school. It was a PUBLIC meeting open to ALL which was advertised on the LVCSD website.
Secret clips .... ATTACKING students .... grow up!
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Intel semifinalist...... Quite impressive! Wonders why locust valley is not up on the list?
Northshore school district is, and according to their schools website,( quite nice btw) i see NO IB programme?
http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=333
Jericho, roslyn, ....
What do we have to say for ourselves?
I am grateful actually i came here after seeing with my OWN eyes what goes on un locust valley! That i am doing MY OWN research, and willing to have my eyes opened!
So now i ask when was the last time any of you all walked thru the halls of the lvcsd, during the day while classes were in session? Because when i did last yr and saw kids in AP classes playing around, talking and the teachers making no comments to such students, i thought wow how do they learn anything?
Then my questions began to my children and what they saw!
So go surprise them one day and walk thru the halls!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
I thought you might enjoy this radio interview about IB I did with John Loeffler of Steel on Steel with my friend Laura Rambeau Lee, who has been published by Andrew Breitbart's biggovernment.com
It runs about 25 minutes. Enjoy!
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Steel_on_Steel.mp3
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HAVEYOUWALKEDTHROUGHTHEHALLS,,
Wow, you must be a very important person since security never let me walk through the halls while classes were in session. I need to sigh in and tell them where I am going. Then the call that person to verify.
This is very disturbing. I thought my daughter was safe in school but apparently security is lax or we have the wrong policies in place.
I just wonder if you really walked the halls? i think I'll ask security if they allow parents to walk the halls?
By the way, were you stoned when you wrote your 1/11 post, it is almost totally incoherent?
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Security,
"I need to sigh in and tell them where I am going. Then the [sic] call that person to verify."
Sign in - Yes
Call? ROTFLMAO! They must smell the booze on your breath and feel the extra security is warranted. If a parent signs in that they are attending a committee meeting or such, no phone call is ever made. How ridiculous!
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Security,
I will not stoop to your level, with accusing people of things that i fabricate in my head! Unlike you!
Did you SEE anywhere in my post, where i said i did not sign in???
Try again!!!
Lets see now who sounds INCOHERENT!
GROW UP! and act your age! Its really unbecoming!
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Security,
I find it strange how you attack me, about something i post " as in" walking thru the halls, yet that is the BONE you find you need to pick?
Seriously?
Maybe you should be responding to WHY lvcsd is not in the semifinalist for intel? But then that would make YOU wrong about ur precious SD!
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
Do you really think your first sentence makes sense?
So you sign in and tell security you plan to walk through the halls while classes are in session?
Wow, and that is allowed? I guess I'll take your advise. I'll just sign in one day, walk through the halls and surprise my children. I hope a lot of other parents don't decide to do it the same day -- the halls might get crowed.
I can't tell you how much your writings reminds me of Syrett.
Lisa,
Yes, but I don't go to committee meetings. I go to see an administrator or teacher and a call is made to verify. So it is not ridiculous, it is policy.
Since you bring it up, I admit to smelling booze on your breath, more than once, and I can confidently tell you many others have as well.
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Anon or Believe or whatever cowardly name you pick,
The mere idea that you have ever been in such close physical proximity to me that you could smell my breath makes my skin crawl. Better get your sniffer checked, Zippy!
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Lisa,
Actually I smelled the booze from across the room. However, I admit you are queen of the blog. I quit, you win, these exchanges are degrading, what was I thinking.
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It looks like even when I don't post you are still thinking of me.....
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http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=23991&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
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http://defeatcommunism.com/profiles/blogs/the-tides-foundation-george
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Typical childish name calling by "some" , still not willing to respond to the questions asked!
Why does it not bother YOU as parents, since most of you believe IB is a wonderful programme,
That NONE OF kids in the LVCSD even got into the SEMI FINALS!!!! anyone willing to answer that! Since we have such good " higher level" courses shouldn't we have had at least 1? Just 1? ANYONE,?
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Oh i just heard a news flash!
The weight room in the high school could not be used by students tonight, because "oakneck" was in their using it?
Even though they had been informed 2weeks ago they could not use the room
At that time!
But they and the coaches would not leave!!!
Anyone hear anything different or at ALL?
So my tax money is going to a school and the activities the kids do, but if oakneck ( not part of SD) is in their it is ok to not allow the high school
Students the room they needed?
Something sounds fishy?
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Anon,
Queen Lisa. Has a nice ring to it. Thanks! Now bring me a shrubbery!
"Winning!"
LOL!
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Anon,
Who is syrett?
Odd who you all think if someone "new" comes in saying other then good things about lvcsd, you assume its someone with a new user name! Please go walk thru the halls """""after signing in oh maybe to see the guidance office"""" but plz go!
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The halls of the LVCSD are all drabby and dirty. This school is the most depressing school I have ever been in.
Instead of buying new furniture for the teachers lounge can someone paint the halls and clean the floors?
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http://unitedwithisrael.org/us-says-no-to-pa-tv
PALESTINE=TERRORISTS=UNESCO=IB PROGRAM
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FYI - Teacher's lounge hasn't been updated in 20 years....if you are ever in the building peek in...it's hideous....
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Yes but was the Guidance office remake really needed? What a huge waste of our money!
Especially since when the kids are waiting for a bus or a lift their is ZNOT one bench for them to sit on!!!!
Anyone notice all the new Is that ( Sod) on the front? But yet the inside looks like c......
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Guidance office is ugly too and prob cost over $200,000. Would like to know who designed it. Have you seen the new Academic Center? It was an old computer room that they transformed. Looks like a big waste of money too.
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What room/rooms in the LVCSD was redone?
Big screen TV's office furniture.
According to the students there is a beautiful lounge somewhere.
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The removal of the handicap lift on the front stairway has left those stairs looking decrepit.
Actually, the floors in LVCSD buildings always USED to look immaculate.
Perhaps someone would like to scope out the IB Teacher Lounge in the new science wing. Be sure to sign in first ... LOL
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What a beautiful story!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/12/homeless-long-island-teenager-is-intel-competition-semifinalist/
Btw, Brentwood is NOT an IB HS!
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I just read somewhere that about 2% of high schools in the U.S. are IB schools, is that correct?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=713KKTjfqS4&feature=channel_video_title
LVCSD proud support of this regime
IB=terrorism
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Open,
That is correct.
There are only 751 IB HSs. 90% of those are public. So 676 public IB HS's out of approx. 22,000 public HSs. However, there's nothing "elite" about that stat, as every school that applies for IB authorization gets it ..... as long as the checks are good.
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Ok, but I also read that 12% of the top 100 high schools were IB schools. That is quite an achievement.
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Are there qualifications for AP?
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/music-program-now-admits-to-being-behind-occupy-lyrics-in-third-graders-song
This is IB folks moving into the primary and intermediate schools if you don't speak up
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http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2006/apr06/ibo-controversy.html
PA state and UNESCO=IB programm
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Lawmakers in other states, including Texas, Florida, California and Colorado, have passed legislation mandating that state universities automatically give their students with IB diplomas a minimum amount of college credit hours, Good said.
The only way you get credit for IB is if the state was mandated to give you credit
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Open,
"12% of the top 100 HS"
That would be a reference to Jay Mathews' List which I have repeatedly proven to be a vapid, PR lollapalooza for IB. Last year, Newsweek was sold in a firesale for $1 and Jay's list has now been relegated to only the Washington Post.
Just so you know, back in 2004, after we learned that IB eliminated AP and Honors in LVHS, I filed a request to see the research done by LV IB Committee before arriving at the decision to go forward with IB. The ONLY document the district could produce was a letter to Jay Mathews complaining about where LVHS fell on his List.
Please read about Jay's List and me here: http://truthaboutib.com/ibinthemedia.html
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Actually, when I googled "Best high schools" it first Newsweek's 2011 survey. I went through each school to see what programs were offered and that is how I arrived at the 12%.
I also noticed a Washington Post survey and references to a number of columnists, one being Jay Mathews. I didn't research the offerings of each school from that list but plan to do so tomorrow.
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If you think the 2% tax cap is going to help us, watch out for Jack Dolce who said in a recent public meeting "(we) are exploring the possibility of going above the 2% tax cap mandated by New York State."
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Believe,
Yes, that is the article I read (Newsweek 2011), I wasn't judging programs, just wondering if there was a commonality to high schools that selected IB, since in number they are few.
I plan to also look at the Washington Post as well.
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Folks,
Believe/Belief/ANON/Anon/Anonymous(not all)
All the same person
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add "truth" and "Bob" to that list of aka's
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Here is a link to Newsweek's 2011 Best High School's List:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/features/2011/americas-best-high-schools.html
Note that there is NEW methodology.
Note that Locust Valley IS NOT ON THE LIST!
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Yes, this is the list I looked at. Among the top 100 high schools 12% were IB schools. I also looked at the top ten and 50% were IB schools. This list is not Jay Mathews'
So the question is: if the IBDP program is in only 2% of high schools nationwide, why is it that so many (12%, an increase of 6x) of the top 100 schools offer the program. Even more interesting, is why do half of the top 10 schools offer the program. The survey tells us the better the school the more likely it is to offer IB.
Do the best high schools, 50% of the top 10 schools, and 12% of the top 100 schools, select IB because it is a challenging program or does the selection of IB as a program propel high schools academically.
It will be interesting to see if the Washington Post and Jay Mathews' data shows similar results.
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We now have people coming on here pretending to be other people?
Real mature?
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really? that's outrageous! if people can't know who you really are, what's the point?
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^^^^^
^^^^need i say anymore^^^
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Open,
Are you talking about the magnet/charter IB schools in the top 10 that have pre-admission requirements? Can you really fairly compare those to a general public high school?
Note that Manhasset, Jericho, Wheatley, Cold Spring Harbor and other NON-IB LI HS's are in the top 100. LOCUST VALLEY IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!
I think LV was 307 on Jay Mathews list. But, as I have said many times, my idea of an excellent school includes more than counting how many breathing bodies you can shove into AP/IB.
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haveyou how did you make those cool upside down v's that look like bridges going up? that is sweet looking!
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The criterion of the Newsweek survey is based on six different factors, not how many students take AP/IB classes.
The interesting and significant point is the best high schools in the U.S. according to this survey disproportionately offer the IB program.
My question is do they do this because they want to offer high performing students a challenging curriculum or does this challenging curriculum propel schools to higher performance? I don't care if the schools are public or private but only that they are identified and recognized as high performing.
I look forward to looking at the Washington Post information to see if the results are repeated. I also intend to interview school administrators.
I have no bias in this issue. I am not an IB or AP advocate nor am I concerned with any particular high school.
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Open,
This is the NEW Newsweek List. And with all due respect, your following statement is simply inaccurate:
"The interesting and significant point is the best high schools in the U.S. according to this survey disproportionately offer the IB program."
12 out of the top 100 is "disproportionate? That means 88 are AP.
Furthermore, you seem to completely disregard the FACT that out of the 27 LI HSs in the top 500, only 2 are IB. For God's sake man, WESTBURY HS is on the list and Locust Valley is not!
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Disproportionate to the total number of schools that offer the IB program, as i believe I already explained.
1- Only 2% of U.S. high schools offer IB yet
2- 12 %of the top 100 schools offer IB and
3- 50% of the top 10 schools offer IB.
So a reasonable question is why do the better performing and best performing districts have a much stronger affinity to the IB program?
I should have the data from the Washington Post survey this evening or tomorrow.
By the way, many of the top 100 high school listed neither the IB or AP programs.
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Many parents are voicing their concerns over the IB program. They would like the IB program removed from the curriculum but don't know how to go about removing it. What do the parents have to do to remove this program and let the school teach basic academics while offering regents, AP and honors? One parent suggested to vote on it during the May budget vote. Many parents agree that may be the only way to find out if the community wants the program or not.
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A group of parents are looking for an attorney to assist them in filing a law suit against the LVCSD to remove the IB program.
The IB program is NOT a NYS mandated program.
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2% tax cap....hmmmm...REMOVE IB
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I hope they put it on the ballot! It would be nice to have a vote on whether or not we have a say on IB OR NOT!!! But lets make sure they do not make it like they do in the past with drivers ed!!
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The will never put IB on the budget. They think that this program is a Gods sent. The PTA and parent councils have started their excessive emails and phone calls. Come to the buget meeting tomorrow night to discuss where we are witht the 2% tax cap. Save our school!!!! LOL, they should have started cutting 10 years ago when it was first introduced instead of the careless spending they did. Example, did we really need to offer the super that much money???? Do we really need to spend 100's of thousands of dollars on IB????? Should we start charging for drivers ed and other extracurricular programs???? There are a lot more questions that need to be answered instead of spewing the scare tactic tomorrow night at the "informational" one sided meeting.
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Remember parents when you go to this meeting tomorrow night one big thing
IB IS NOT A NYS MANDATED PROGRAM
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IB is not the only program that brain washes
The PTA's and parent councils have brain washed their membership
"Don't listen to the non believers"
"LVCSD is telling you the truth"
"The 2% tax cap will be detrimental to our curriculum"
LVCSD this is your challenge.
Present a budget within the 2% cap that will serve our children without comprimising any mandated programs, music, clubs, sports
You can pay the loans back with the money you spend on IB
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I just finished the analysis of the Washington Post survey. The results are essentially the same as Newsweek. The determination of the top schools is more narrowly focused, with the greatest weight given to the number of AP and IB test taken.
The results are most of the top schools are the same, although not all. The only major difference is that 18% of the top 100 high schools are IB.
So:
1- 2% of U.S. high schools have the IB program but
2- 18% in the Washington Post and 12% in the Newsweek top 100 schools offer the IB program and
3- 50% of the top 20 schools in the Washington Post survey and 50% of the top 10 schools in the Newsweek survey offer the program.
Does anyone have any rational thoughts on why the better the school the more likely it offers the IB program? I will do a telephone survey of 10 schools among the top 100 who offer IB and 10 who don't and see if it gives some insight. I find the results curious.
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it is indeed curious mr hunderfund
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Open,
You are assuming that the left-wing WAPO and Newsweek are "fair" judges of what constitutes a "top school". Let me remind you once again that LVHS is NOT a charter school. It is NOT a magnet school. It is NOT a private academy.
Btw, Open, I heard that at least 25 families pulled their children who would have been entering 9th grade from LVHS in order to avoid IB. Care to confirm?
Officially, LVCSD enrollment is down 2% since the implementation of IB.
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Hey Open, why don't you look at the list at U.S. News & World Report?
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-high-schools
Oh look! There's non-IB Jericho, Gold Medal. But where's LVHS? Yoooo hoooo, LV where are you?
What a shame Dr. Hunderfund didn't bring to LVHS what makes Jericho great.
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I don't know why you keep bringing up LVHS. My interest is in IB, not any particular high school.
One must wonder why this program does not have mass penetration but clearly has strong affinity with the best academic (I am agnostic as to private or public) high schools in the country
My interest in the what extent IB contributed to the excellence academics in these schools or if these schools enlisted IB to give high performing students a challenging curriculum.
I just spoke to the administration at "City Honors" in Buffalo, NY, the top performing high school in NYS in both the Newsweek and the Washington Post surveys, and they thinks it is both. The school has a complete IB program as well as AP. They have great things to say about both, and felt the interdisciplinary capability of IB was very important to developing clear thinking and providing the basics for a liberal arts arts learning experience. One administrator felt the two most challenging courses offered were AP Physics and IBHL Math.
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http://action.freedomworks.org/5812/end-federal-dept-education
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Open,
This is the Bayville Blog. I try to address IB as it affects LVHS and the LVCSD students and taxpayers. I don't know where you are from, but City Honors is a MAGNET program. I'm pretty sure I said 2x above, comparing a CHARTER or MAGNET program to a GENERAL PUBLIC HS is comparing apples and oranges. I don't know why you are incapable of understanding that.
http://www.cityhonors.org/
City Honors also has an ADMISSIONS PROCESS:
http://www.cityhonors.org/page/admissions-process/
LVHS must provide an appropriate education for ALL children. That includes discipline problems, children with special needs, average children and gifted children.
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When students apply to colleges and universities the admissions department isn't interested in whether a student went to a public school or private school or whether it has a magnet program or not-- it is concerned with the academic qualifications.
Are you saying IB is too difficult a program for public school students, who must be satisfied with AP?
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No, The Bayville community is saying IB is RUBBISH
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Open,
Did LVCSD post that IB Alumni video yet? Uhhhhh ..... nope. Just a load of sanitized pro-IB pablum: http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/default.aspx
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This is it folks
LVCSD proud sponsors of Hamas by continuing the IB program in the school district
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/marianne-gingrich-behind-the-scenes-081010
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From the above post, very interesting:
1- 2% of U.S. high schools have the IB program but
2- 18% in the Washington Post and 12% in the Newsweek top 100 schools offer the IB program and
3- 50% of the top 20 schools in the Washington Post survey and 50% of the top 10 schools in the Newsweek survey offer the program.
Does anyone have any rational thoughts on why the better the school the more likely it offers the IB program?
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Anonymous or Open,
I guess you simply are incapable of understanding what you have already been told. Very sad.
IB is a scam. Get rid of it and stop short-changing our students and ripping off LVCSD taxpayers!
Btw, did you see Newsweek's latest cover? That magazine isn't worth lining a bird cage with!
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Lisa,
You seem incapable of understanding the statistical evidence; the better the academic rating of the high school the more likely the school offers the IB program. Very sad
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Looks like Anonymous is seriously delusional.
IB is part of UNESCO.
UNESCO supports the PA state, a terrorists state they want to kill Americans
Since LVCSD has the IB program, in short this school district supports terrorism.
It does NOT matter how good the school is or isn't
The IB program MUST go.
This school distrcit and any other school district that has the IB program in the US will NOT recieve any more federal money because the US has cut all federal funding to UNESCO
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Anon,
The U.S. cutting off aid to UNESCO has nothing to do with federal aid given to states.
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Anonymous,
Cherry-picking biased rankings based on "IB/AP participation" (not pass rate or academic rating) of "Best High Schools" while ignoring U.S. News & World Reports where LVHS is nowhere to be found, is a shallow and delusional opinion. Of course you are entitled to have it. It is simply ignorant and non-objective.
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Newsday is based on six different factors, and AP/IB is only one of the factors. In fact about 1/3 of the schools in the top 100 list neither an AP or IB program. There is no cherry picking.
The same top schools appear over and over, and the fact is the better the high school the more likely it has an IB program.
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I wasn't ignoring U.S. News but was confining my finding to current (2011) results.
However, thanks for making my point. U.S. News ranked SOUTHSIDE HIGH SCHOOL, AN IB SCHOOL,THE TOP SCHOOL ON LI.
I am glad you endorse this survey.
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The parent councils are feeding false information to you regarding the 2% tax cap.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/nyregion/in-albany-agreement-is-reached-to-cap-property-tax-increases-at-2-percent.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/25/what-will-new-york-state-property-tax-cap-mean-for-local-schools
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http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/realprop/faqs.htm
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http://www.questar.org/taxcap
It is true
School districts that have IB will no longer be recieving funding for the IB program due to UNESCO's support for the PA state
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http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:4ZpVUsPNfQMJ:www.regents.nysed.gov/meetings/2008Meetings/June2008/0608sad1.doc+2%25+tax+cap&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=UTF-8
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most schools on Long Isalnd are already below the 2% tax cap.
http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:p96w1uHJGvUJ:www.regents.nysed.gov/meetings/2011Meetings/June2011/611audbfsad1.doc+2%25+tax+cap&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=UTF-8
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http://search.nysed.gov/search?q=cache:9mnDDpZ4pzwJ:www.counsel.nysed.gov/Decisions/volume44/d15191.htm+IB+program&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=default_new_frontend&site=&proxystylesheet=default_new_frontend&oe=ISO-8859-1
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/gt/ap/ibroster.pdf
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Truth or Lisa,
You don't know how to read a report. The report on budgets dealt with state percentages. . There was no specific breakout for LI, nor could one tell from the report how many districts passed budgets over 2%.
Not only that, the 2% cap is on the tax levy not the budget. if you do your research you will find out 105 of the 121 LI districts that had votes in 2011/12 had a tax levy over 2%., that works out to about 87%.
Who cares about the unsuccessful appeal you made to the Department of Education against the district six years ago. The commissioner essentially said in the rejection of the appeal you wasted his time and had absolutely no case. I don't know why you would even post such an embarrassment.
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if the locust valley school district REALLY supports terrorism and not just bad decision making in the athletic department somebody should let me know and I will keep the bridge up any time I see a car with a teachers union bumper sticker trying to get over
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Anonymous,
My appeal to the NYS Commissioner was to try and have IB placed on the ballot as a proposition for the voters of LVCSD to decide. You call that embarrassing? I am proud of filing that appeal. I wanted the voters and parents to decide whether IB was a worthwhile investment and a good "fit" for Locust Valley. We vote on Driver's Ed, don't we?
You should know by now that I am not Truth. I ALWAYS post under my real name and stand behind what I say.
Bridge mechanic,
LOL!
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As far as Southside goes, guaranteed they cook the numbers submitted to U.S. News and World Reports.
Btw, that's the same school that is going to FORCE ALL STUDENTS to take IB HL English.
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Guaranteed SS cooks the books. Provide the proof.
It is the same nonsense you spout about every person or organization that disagrees with you.
The Washington Post survey is biased since the leading schools offer IB.
Newsweek is biased as well since the leading schools offer IB
SHS cooks the books since it is the top LI high school but provides IB.
No, you don,t always post under your own name,
The facts are, as presented by Open (I know I'm Open).
1- Only 2% of hs offer IB.
2- 12 to 18% of top 100 high schools offer IB
3- 50% of top 20 high schools offer IB
4- SS high school is the top LI high school according to U.S. News
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FYI:
For anyone who has a problem with our culture's obsession with standardized testing at almost every grade level, here is some information you should know.
"Understand that you, as a parent, have the right to request your child opt out of the tests.
This is a little known, but very important, fact. School districts are required by law to inform parents of this right, but it's not widely advertised. There have even been cases where principals have pressured parents to not opt out because their child's score is needed to bring up the school's overall ranking."
http://family.go.com/parenting/pkg-learning/article-205674-what-every-parent-should-know-about-standardized-testing-t/
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Worth reading:
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/will-standardized-tests-kill-reading/
http://family.go.com/parenting/pkg-learning/article-205674-what-every-parent-should-know-about-standardized-testing-t/
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aren't you tired of talking about this
nothing is going to change
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Chase,
Which were you referring to? IB or standarized tests?
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The PTA's and parent councils are feeding you with misinformation regarding the 2% cap tax.
To get the truth go to the New York State Department of Educations web site or search New York State 2% cap tax.
LVCSD will not be comprimising the education of your children by imposing the 2% cap tax.
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The mothers in the LVCSD parent councils are not going to give you the correct information about the 2% tax cap.
They did not research the information about the tax cap. They are providing you information that the school district wants you to hear so you support going above the tax cap.
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PARENT COUNCILS/LVCSD
STOP USING THE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM TO ANNOUNCE MEETINGS
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM
NOT TO BE USED FOR ANNOUNCING OF PTA MEETINGS
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So I see Mr. Dolce is whining in The Leader about a $3.4M deficit.
Wah, wah, wah
Too bad LVCSD has wasted over $2M on IB over the past 10 years!
Require parents to pay for their kids AP/IB exams instead of WE THE TAXPAYER!
Dump this money sucking scam of a program NOW!
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"Unlike the other schools which treat them as equals, the University of Michigan weighs AP verus IB in its admission process based on the level of rigor an individual student has undertaken and their academic performance.
For instance, a student who's obtained and IB diploma (a two year process) is considered by the University of Michigan to have a more rigorous workload than a student that took several AP classes."
Interesting quote, one can call the University of Michigan for verification or find this information, as I did, on the internet. Good luck Lisa. I guess the U-M is like Southside high school, and the Washington Post and Newsweek, although many consider it a top 50 University
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The bottom line.
Unlike other schools that don't have IB a larger number of their students attend more prestigious colleges, obtain prestigious awards and are much more successful in landing a higher paying job upon graduation
How many children from LVCSD with IB credits or diplomas have well paying jobs now????
I know one child that got an IB diploma and do you know what this child is doing now????
Not making six figures!!!!!
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anyone of these students have an IB diploma?
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/5-li-teens-are-intel-national-finalists-1.3476967
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Open,
Stop pulling imaginary quotes out of your ass. It's really an insult to my intelligence.
Here is University of Michigan's current IB credit policy:
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ib-guidelines
NO CREDIT FOR SL IB EXAMS!
Here is the U of M's Advanced Standing Overview:
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ap-ib-credit
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Open,
I think if you are going to make such a claim you're going to need more proof then i made a phone call!!
Nice, lisa!
I like to see someone backup their information!
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Lisa,
So you believe this is an imaginary quote? Really! How about this one.
"While AP and IB are both considered to be rigorous for the purpose of college admission considerations, IB courses are typically considered to be more-in-depth college preparation because IB courses span a two year period and cover additional content, "
Erica Sanders, Director of Recruitment and Operations for the University of Michigan.
Is this also an imaginary quote?
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Lisa,
I am surprised. I read the link you provided to UM admissions. It compliment IB and AP alike. It contradicts the IB assessment you promulgate. Obviously, the UM admission people think highly of IB?
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Lisa,
I am surprised. I read the link you provided to UM admissions. It compliment IB and AP alike. It contradicts the IB assessment you promulgate. Obviously, the UM admission people think highly of IB?
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Open,
If you can't supply a link to your imaginary IB loving friends and their statements, then I respectfully ask you to keep quiet.
I showed you UM's advanced credit policy. It FAVORS AP - not IB as fully HALF of all IB exams are SL and NOT AWARDED CREDIT!
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I thought maybe "Open" was pulling those imaginary quotes from the IB Playbook .... hmmmm, maybe he has an updated version:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/Upper_St_Clair.pdf
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Lisa,
Well, it seems UM thinks very highly of both AP and IB. Thanks for providing information from a leading University confirming the high academic regard for IB. The below courtesy of Lisa.
http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/ap-ib-credit
Advanced Credit Standing
The University of Michigan encourages prospective students to challenge themselves and welcomes those who have gone above and beyond in their high school academics by taking Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate courses. Typically, the 11th grade is the optimal time to start taking this course work if it is offered at your school. It’s a good idea to study subjects in which you are confident you will do well while at the same time seeking opportunities to challenge yourself.
As a result of having already successfully completed college-level work, some students can be admitted with advanced standing at the university. The larger benefit? By succeeding in rigorous academics before you enroll at the University of Michigan, you demonstrate that you are more than prepared to succeed at one of the most academically challenging institutions in the country. However, in addition to completing your AP/IB course(s), you must also perform successfully on the exam and earn a high score. Advanced Standing is only granted to students who have high exam scores
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Anonymous,
UMich holds IB HL courses in high regard. UMich does not award ANY college credit for IB SL courses/exams.
None of "Open's" imaginary quotes appear on the UMich website.
The facts are clear. A student at UMich who passes 6 AP exams, will be eligible for TWICE the number of college-credits as a full IB Diploma student.
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Unfortunately, because of IB's inflexibility, rigid regulations and poor fit with American public schools, a school cannot choose to simply offer an a la carte selection of HL IB courses. No. A district has to BUY the whole IB PROGRAM(ME) which includes Swiss regulations, Swiss Law and international bureaucracy which is simply UNNECESSARY!
Furthermore, IB's proprietary nature does not allow parents to review, online for free, the content of the IB course their child may want to take. Now why the hell is THAT acceptable to you? Why should PUBLIC school parents have to BUY a course guide from an NGO of UNESCO???
Do I need to go into IB's control of YOUR student's intellectual property?
This is a BAD, inferior overpriced product. Get it the hell out of Locust Valley. I am sick of it!
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Seems to me not only does the Director of Recruitment and Operations disagree with Lisa, she seems to feel IB is a superior program for college preparation.
"While AP and IB are both considered to be rigorous for the purpose of college admission considerations, IB courses are typically considered to be more-in-depth college preparation because IB courses span a two year period and cover additional content, "
Erica Sanders, Director of Recruitment and Operations for the University of Michigan.
Is this also an imaginary quote?
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You know, Erica Sander's position on IB seems to be consistent with those of the administrators at top high school in the U.S.
Oh, I almost forgot and consistent with the video Lisa provided of the Locust Valley IB graduates.
Lisa, you are a one person selling machine for IB.
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Anonymous,
What's your obsession with Erica Sanders? And why are you incapable of linking an article in which these imaginary quotes appear? Because when I Google Erica Sanders, I find the following article which doesn't even MENTION IB:
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/director-recruitment-university-discusses-universitys-preparation-projected-record-breaking-
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And I see LVCSD STILL hasn't posted the IB Alumni video to its website. (what a shock!)
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http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/307637/legislation-would-let-parents-pull-kids-from-school-district?CSAuthResp=1327672848%3Ai7d3v6mmj73n4mmunvsg9ht942%3ACSUserId%7CCSGroupId%3Aapproved%3ACC5DC22FBAFD0F1C355E51372437C2B0&CSUserId=29355&CSGroupId=1#comment-217846
I had the honor of meeting these 3 fine (R) NH Representatives back in October when I was invited to address the Merrimack SB.
Live Free or Die!
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Here is another one. Think this is imaginary, as well?
Judy Benfield Tatum, the director of undergraduate admissions and orientation stated, "Although Wayne State treats IB and AP students equally, students consistently do better on standardized tests when they have been in IB curriculums for a lengthy period of time."
She went on to say "IB curriculums are highly regarded. I don't know anyone in the field that would say they are not."
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The mothers of the LVCSD are not giving ANY false information. I have been to these meetings and compared the info to NYS public sites and the information is accurate. Exact numbers cannot be given yet because they do not know all of them yet and they make a point of saying that. Have you been to any of the meetings or are you just guessing that is what they are doing? Much research has been done. The Parent Council has the children's best interest at heart. That should be obvious. And no one has said what budget numbers will be presented.
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Everything you write is so negative. Have you ever looked at benefits or do you just like being a negative person? Most people do not agree with your bashing, insults and negativity. But have fun.....
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Don't let Lisa once again hijack a blog with nothing but IB. There are more important issues at stake. Whoever responds falls into her playbook!!
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Anon,
As someone who has been around this district a looooooooong time, let me tell you how it was done back in the 90's.
The Principals developed their individual school budgets in December. By February, early March the latest, the district had put together an initial budget for the general fund. These large books were available at public budget hearings. People discussed things civilly and openly. Adjustments were made with public input prior to the final budget adoption in April(it might have to be 45 days before the actual vote, I'm not positive) Passing the budget was really never a question. In 1994, our budget was $24M.
This district has been operating in a totally non-transparent fashion since Dr. Singe was stabbed in the back by Lauren Straub, Ron Walsh and Dr. Chu.
Such short memories around here.
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Lisa, Give it up! your continued strikes against IB take away from the larger picture, THE SCHOOL! Our District has only improved since the years of Dr. Singe , Can you deny that? NO I DONT THINK SO!! When you go to sell your house it will sell a lot better if our school district has what it has now to offer. DO YOU WANT TO BECOME HEMPSTEAD? think about it sweetheart. Get off the IB issue and wise up. Your child went through the district, and I am sure is fine. Why hurt al those coming through? Why hurt our community with your misplaced anger? YOu are a broken record that many people are getting very tired of. Get a life! Why don't you come to some meetings and find out what is really happening? Haven't seen you there in a long time. You are out of touch and and angry woman. Too bad, so much talent misdirected.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah lets worry about the price of our houses!!!!
WOW!!!!!!!!
I am in total shock at such a comment!
What i know about LVCSD IS THIS
And not eben IB that lisa talks about!
When i find 1 of my children is being shuffeled thru a "system" because -god forbid their standing should drop a level or 2! Is ASHAMED! and they outta be ashamed of themselves!
But my child is NOT the only one! Good thing i have a BIG BIG mouth because not any of MY children will be pushed thru a system for just so YOUR house will NOT go down in value or lvsd can become #1 !!!
And omg i cannot believe you can even say that!!!!!
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Maybe everyone should educated themselves as to what is really going on. The new tax cap in place will have a devastating effect on our public schools. This is not a scare tactic being used to pass budgets; it's a fact. How is even got passed remains a mystery to me. I encourage all parents to stop reading rumors/rants/personal opinions on this blog and go to a meeting. Ask your questions, educate yourself on the issues and make an informed decision on your own.
As for testing, that's a bigger concern and with the governor's new teacher observation plan, there will be a greater emphasis being placed on test scores. As parents we need to understand the bigger issues being implemented here.
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Anon,
When Dr. Singe was Superintendent, the HS profiles sent out to universities with student applications listed LVHS 'mean' SAT scores and the SAT average for the top 10%. The profiles also noted an average of 35-36 AP Scholars every year. These stats disappeared when IB was implemented in 2004. So I honestly can't tell you if there has been any improvement in LVHS's academic achievement over the past 8 years. But if you come up with that data online somewhere, do let me know.
My house has been on the market for over 7 months. I have reduced the price $100,000. This is THE worst housing market in HISTORY. When you can explain why a house in Brookville on the Jericho side of the line is worth at least $500,000 more than one on the LV side, get back to me.
And I am NOT your "sweetheart" you misogynist pig.
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Anon,
As I recall, LVCSD wiped out its "cushion" last year, in preparation for the 2% tax cap. While it is rare that I agree with a Democrat, I believe the 2% tax cap was a respectable move. Now LVCSD and every other public school district in NYS has to CUT THE FAT. I don't need to attend a budget meeting to listen to Jack and Hunderfund whine about "unfunded mandates". CUT THE FAT!
Implement a 1 mile transportation rule.(approx $1M in savings)
Cut IB/Model UN/IB Leadership Club ($200,000)
Cut over $50,000 on IB curriculum development
Consider Pay to Play for sports ($100 per sport)
Teacher/admin pay freeze
Get rid of that $10,000 computer teacher evaluation program - out of date, useless
Restore responsibility of paying for AP/IB exams to the parents ($100,000)
I am sick and tired of the whining, the games and the lack of transparency. If LVCSD tries to put forth a budget higher than 2% - VOTE NO!
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More suggested cuts?
I was always a big supporter of the arts. But there is absolutely no need to hire in the director and choreographer from BOCES. Nothing personal, but other districts don't do this, why does LVHS? Isn't someone teaching IB Theatre? There is no need to RENT backdrops - let the students paint them. There is no need to hire professional musicians - let the band/orchestra students supply the music.
There. I saved another $50-75,000.
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Tremendous article ! Thank you for the tips !
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If your child is being shuffled through the system, I hope you are fighting for them.
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Oh yeah, she was being Shuffled!
Praise God He gave me eyes too see behind the fasade of the lvsd!!
Fight??? Why should "I" a tax payer like everyone else have to fight for
Anything, isn't that iTHEIR job to begin with!!!! Well????
Anyone have the answer to that one?
If your chd is NOT AP/ IB standards they get shuffled!!!
Just push them on up to honor classes and AP even if they really struggle and barely make it!!!
See thats why i came here to begin with! Not to debate IB!
Someone needs to really open the eyes of whats truley behind those walls!!!
And YES i am a fighter!!! They will NOT push my children thru like the others! B
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
In LVCSD, EVERYONE gets a trophy, every child is gifted, every child receives a HS diploma and every teacher gets a raise.
But I'm pretty sure you knew that already.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_s2dfoCFxaI
NO IB IN HER SCHOOL!!!!!
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The brainwashing meetings being held by the mommies of the PTA and parent councils are not educational.
The fact is, is that most schools on Long Island have been aware of the tax cap for a few years and have been working with budgets of 2% or less. Read the legislative documents.
If this tax cap is going to be so devistating then why won't the district present a proposed budget?
They want you to vote to support going over the tax cap so they can present a budget without cutting the fat!!!!!!
They are playing the bait and switch tactic. Don't fall for it.
If you show up for a meeting they will count you in as part of the 60% needed to go above the tax cap.
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The 2% figure is not based on a budget-to-budget increase. The 2% cap is a cap on the tax levy. In actuality, if LV were faced with the 2% limit, the actually budget-to-budget increase would be around .70%, not 2% as you quoted. Another reason to go to the meetings and educate yourself about what the tax cap entails. I'm sure LV would have no problem working around a 2% budget-to-budget increase but that will not take place due to the tax cap.
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North Shore just announced their tentative budget. It calls for laying off 19 teachers to pay for the unfunded state mandates. What are they wasting money on, they don't have the IB.
The article suggested the administration was warned by the state not to put out a budget greater than 2%. Great to be in America, a community must get 60% to pass a school budget, and even if you try the states warns you there will be consequences for the effort.
What right does NYS have to tell local communities they can not pass a budget if the majority of the community votes to do so.
Part of NS's expenses is to change the entire curriculum to the "core curriculum". This is now required by the state since it accepted federal funds for race to the top. So the federal government now sets curriculum for local school districts.
Great, now Jericho will have the same curriculum as NYC.
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Yes, I read the article. The NS superintendent said the district may need to cut an additional $2m.
Syosset said it will attempt to piece the cap. It said the district has no intention to sacrifice quality education for its children to pay for academically unsound, unfundated state mandates. It believes it community respects quality education and it can get the 60% vote.
Any bets on what Jericho will do?
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Give it up Lisa. The academic community, both at the University and Secondary school levels, are clear on the academic excellence of IB.
Open wrote:
Here is another one. Think this is imaginary, as well?
Judy Benfield Tatum, the director of undergraduate admissions and orientation stated, "Although Wayne State treats IB and AP students equally, students consistently do better on standardized tests when they have been in IB curriculums for a lengthy period of time."
She went on to say "IB curriculums are highly regarded. I don't know anyone in the field that would say they are not."
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If LV were to adhere to the 2% tax levy cap, the deficit would be about 3 million dollars. That's a lot of money and our kids would lose a lot. Again, please make an effort to attend these meetings, hear what is being said, ask your questions and form your own opinion. Having young kids myself I don't want to sacrifice any of the programs we have at the school and cutting IB won't give us 3 million dollars.
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Anonymous,
You should become a joke writer for Letterman! At least you have an IB-vivid imagination! (hint- no source, no credit)
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So the question is: Will LVCSD go the way of Northshore and make massive teacher cuts or Syosset and try and penetrate the cap?
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Newsday 1/28/2012
http://www.newsday.com/news/high-pensions-for-retired-school-officials-1.3483004#6
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Anon,
In order to come up with $3M, you have to cut SOMEWHERE. $300,000 is 10% of $3M (IB and returning cost of AP/IB exam fees to parents). My transportation one (1) mile rule would generate approx. another $1M. Pay to play, another $200,000.
You don't want to "sacrifice" any programs. Many of us don't want to PAY for wasteful, outrageously expensive programs. The days of reckless, elitist, European spending are OVER!
Time to start thinking about what you are WILLING to sacrifice in order to retain reasonable class sizes and decent teachers.
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These meetings are one sided and by the comments above this school district is saying that parents can't read and have no comprehension skills?
Research this inforamtion it is on the web sites then if you do go to the meetings challenge the administration with your questions.
"Part of NS's expenses is to change the entire curriculum to the "core curriculum". This is now required by the state since it accepted federal funds for race to the top. So the federal government now sets curriculum for local school districts."
Isn't IB part of the race to the top?????
Doesn't the LVCSD accept federal money for the IB program?
Folks get rid of the IB program.
As much as you want to believe it is good for the youngters it is not. It is very costly and if this district cuts it out there will be no other programs cut and no layoffs.
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GET IB THE HELL OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o8YDnd1Yoyk
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http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/realprop/index.htm
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I keep posting the links from the senate on the tax cap and it keeps getting deleted????
I guess the school must be censoring this blog!!!!
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I will be printing the contents of the link that I keep posting on the 2% tax cap and posting it at the IGA
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Try typing in the following:
www dot nysenate dot gov forward slash press-release forward slash senate-passes-property-tax-cap-legislation
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The bill, which is supported by business organizations across the state, includes the following provisions:
> A school district's tax levy limit, excluding the taxes necessary to support the local share of capital expenditures, could increase by up to the lesser of two percent or the annual increase in the consumer price index ("CPI");
> A school district would be allowed to carry over unused tax levy capacity from the prior year, but could use this carryover levy capacity to increase its tax levy only an additional 1.5% in any year; and
> In the event a district's actual tax levy exceeds its authorized levy due to clerical or technical errors, the erroneous excess levy must be placed in reserve to offset the levy for the next school year.
> A school district would be required to submit a tax levy proposition for approval by voters at the district's annual meeting on the 3rd Tuesday in May. If the proposed tax levy is within the district's tax levy limit, then a majority vote would be required for approval. If the proposed tax levy exceeds the district's tax levy limit, then the vote threshold required for approval would be 60 percent.
> If the tax levy proposition is defeated, then the district would be required to submit a second levy proposition for approval, that complies with its tax levy base, by voters at a district meeting held on the 3rd Tuesday in June. If the proposed tax levy is within the district's tax levy limit, then a majority vote would be required for approval. If the proposed tax levy exceeds the district's tax levy limit, then the vote threshold required for approval would be 60 percent.
> If the second proposition is defeated, then the district would be required to adopt a tax levy that is no greater than the prior school year.
If enacted, the law would take effect for the 2012-13 school year.
The bill also provides for the same cap to apply to taxes levied by municipal governments. Local governments that do not levy an amount up to the cap in one year can rollover that amount up to 1.5 percent in the following year.
The property tax cap legislation has tremendous support, not only among taxpayers throughout the state, but among major business organizations.
Dean Norton, President, New York Farm Bureau said: “It is no secret the state’s economic environment has been spiraling ever lower over the past decade. This lagging business environment has taken a considerable toll on economic development and job growth, especially in upstate New York. A primary reason for our bleak competitive standing is the state’s extremely high property tax rates – among the highest in the nation. This legislation would limit growth of property taxes from year to year and bring financial relief to homeowners and businesses in New York State.”
Brian Sampson, Executive Director of Unshackle Upstate said: “The Senate's passage of a two percent property tax cap is a huge step forward in providing New York'
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http://www.brittonkill.k12.ny.us/district/Budget/understanding_tax_cap.asp
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http://www.socsd.org/centraloffice/propertytax/propertytax-Q@A.pdf
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http://www.empirecenter.org/Special-Reports/2011/11/proptaxcapguide113011.cfm
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School districts like Brittonkill have posted the above link on their schools web sites.
Why hasn't LVCSD done the same?
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http://www.capitalregionboces.org/taxlevycap
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http://www.capitalregionboces.org/taxlevycap/TaxLevyCapPDF.pdf
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Anonymous made my brain hurt. Bridge Mechanic, I think you need to keep the bridge up when she's out walking her dog.
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Once communities learn that education has become centralized they will focus their attention on the issues that are causing property taxes to increase:
1- out of control state pension, written into the state constitution and paid to among others, our state politicians.
2- In most cases the increase in pension contributions by a district will exceed the entire tax cap. In other words, the pension contribution the state requires school districts to pay in more than the 2% property cap.
2-The state this year alone, through the state Regents increased unfunded mandates more than the the 2% cap. One mandates requires, even the best, most successful school districts with 99% and 100% to change their successful curriculum and adopt the "core curriculum" used unsuccessfully by the federal government to raise scores in low performing school districts. The state did this to get aid from the federal government; half of which goes to the state and the other half to school districts chosen by the state. These mandates are what caused North Shore, a very successful academic district, to already announce it is firing 19 teachers.
3-The state supports the Triborough Amendment, which mandates that public employees continue to receive pay increases and benefits even when a contract has expired. The effect is unions are guaranteed increases even if they don't bargain.
I am all for a property tax cap, but the state politicians must revamp the CURRENT pension system it pays itself (not future employees) As I stated these contributions alone are greater than the entire 2% cap. It must suspend the Triborough amendment, which gives automatic raises when contracts expire. and it needs to stop the hundreds of millions of unfunded, academically unsound, mandates to some of the top school districts in the country.
Since these mandates must be paid and since in most cases the amount is double or triple the 2% cap, districts adhering to the cap will have no choice but to pay these expenses by cutting teachers and programs. That is why the answer is pension reform, suspending Triborough and eliminating the mandates.
If the state does this a sound educational system might exist with a 2% cap. Without it districts like North Shore will fire teachers, Hunnington will cut kindergarden, and Islip will close two schools. And this is just the beginning if voters don't speak up.
Least you doubt this go to 'youtube' and look up first to worse. It is the story of California going from the best state in the country for public education to last by implementing a tax cap and centralizing school decision making.
North Shore didn't want to lay off 19 teachers. It was forced to pay the pension cost of politicians and support centralized academic decisions made by the state.
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Lisa,
The busing is equal to 2.5 million. The state rule is k-8 you must live more than 2 miles from the school, grades 9-12 you must live more than 3 miles from the school. Imagine if they were to cut the busing.... imagine the Bayville/LV students that will have to find a way to school. I'm not sure too many parents will be happy with that. As for pay to play, it is estimated that to play football would cost each student $1200. My son plays and I say it will be cheaper to pay the few hundred dollars in tax verses $1200 for one sport.
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Research,
All valid reasons for kicking the union out of LVCSD entirely! Privatize it! You want to be a 21st Century trendsetter? Be daring!
Anon,
Thank you for providing me with the current state guidelines. It's not as though we have 5' of snow and 6 lane highways these kids would have to walk along. Al we hear is, "Wah, wah, wah, your kids are too fat, they don't exercise enough ...... and ..... you're ruining our planet, all those bus fumes, wasting oil ..... go greeeeeeeeeeeeen .... but in this district, if you live 20' from the school, your kid is on a bus route.
Carpool. Walk. Ride your bikes. Everyone here claims to admire Europe so much - have you ever been to Amsterdam? Nobody drives a car, all bikes.
As to the pay to play, I would think the fund would have to be set up in a way that each sport would be the same fee - $100 per sport. Then LVCSD has to figure out how to manage each sport successfully on the budget provided. Football should not be given preference over say girls tennis or field hockey. Title 9.
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As you well know, this is not a right to work state and public schools can not hire non union employees.
Dismantling public education will not happen. What will happen is what happened in California; parents with any means sending their children to private schools and the rest of the population going to run down public schools unable to provide a basic education.
From a practical point of view, we need smaller government. The Regents shouldn't be telling local communities how to run their districts and mandating curriculum to collect federal aid, Especially LI schools, many of whom are the best in the country. The state has no right to legislate a 65% vote for anything. Our founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
As taxpayers we must demand the state reform pensions, suspend Triborough and stop the hundreds of millions of dollars in educationally unsound mandates. The nerve of the Regents to tell Jericho to spend millions to change its curriculum.
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Anonymous,
Actually, public education falls entirely under the 10th Amendment and States rights. You are correct of course, the NY Progressives LOVE their unions. This is one of the reasons we want to move to a right to work state.
LI's 124 or whatever school districts is an INSANE number! Consolidate! Eliminate half of these 1%er Superintendents! Make it so that a teacher from LVHS can be transferred to Hicksville HS if that's where they are needed. I could see busting up Nassau County in 5 major districts. Down south, school districts are COUNTYWIDE.
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Lisa,
Jack Dolce has already been going in the direction of "privatizing it". He goes around treating lv like his own private school. Not all boe know what's going on. One boe told me s/he does not even know what's going in the budget.
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rub,
That's a shame. And they crowned him King of the Board. Only Stimola had the guts to oppose his coronation.
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Lisa,
My boe friend told me that Jack Dolce said to them only he is qualified to be the boe president.
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Great idea, consolidate districts. Soon LI can have big, effective districts like NYC, Rochester, Buffalo Syracuse and Utica.
Big bureaucratic inefficient wast lands. NYC has one superintendent but an administrative budget as a percent of per pupil cost greaten than any school district in the state. Oh, and the quality of education -- first class. They now have graduation rates over 50%, that is until it was found out they were cheating. It is why the elite on the West side send there kids to public schools -- NOT.
What a stupid idea. Take the ares with arguably the best school districts in the country and disband them.
Oh, yes and of all regions of the country to emulate the south. People come from all over the world to send their children to schools in Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia and Louisiana.
Good God!!!
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The employees can vote the union out.
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Am I the only one that finds it ironic that Lisa criticizes children for being too fat. I mean....... really
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/new-york-state-teachers-f_b_836876.html
BTW: Lisa is not criticizing children for being fat Moochelle is criticizing children for being fat. Lisa is just mocking Moochelle
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http://www.unionfacts.com/union-member-resources/how-to-decertify-your-union
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Sorry, but in NYS the union cannot be voted out of a public school.
BTW: I see Lisa riding in her car. Maybe I miss it but I don't see her riding back and forth on her bike.
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Come on!!!
Has anyone seen the buses? Most of them especially the elememtary, have 3/4 kids on each any given day!!
Is their any reason why we need 2/3 buses going down perry ave? Bayville ave? Picking children up from one side of the street and one bus from the other? If one side just crossed the street that would get rid of 1 bus down perry, 1 bus down bayville ave, and they still would not be full!!!
And why do the children that live on wansor and literally across the street from BI need a bus? Because we all are lazy!!!
Lisa is right! The kids should be walking/ riding bikes! I did when i was a kid, and i still do!
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The 10th amendment allows for decisions to be made by local boards, and research indicates the best performing schools have local decision making. Of course, local districts are responsible to the state.
One would think, the Regents would decentralize as much as possible since their results, since the 1790's, have been pathetic.
Certainly, micro managing LI schools is a mistake.
What is NOT allowed in the constitution is federal involvement and that is exactly what NYS did by accepting Federal Aid. The federal government is now setting education policy in NYS. The core curriculum is not a Regent curriculum but federal. The core curriculum has now crept into most states. Why are conservatives and libertarians allowing this clear violation of the constitution.
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You are,right, the state accepted federal funds and in so doing so has to adhere to certain rules. Look people we are all in the same boat... no one wants hire taxes, no one wants a lousy school system, unfortunately, the state constitution doesn't allow us to change pensions for teachers. THIS IS something STATE Legislators have to fix. COME to the Grenville Baker Boys and Girls Club on Tueesday, February 2nd, and talk with our State Senator Carl Marcellino. Ask him your questions, tell him how you feel, maybe we can get something accomplished.
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10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
What are you going to get accomplished? Nothing. Marcellino is a Progressive. I think the average IQ in this forum is around 78, and it is only that high because of Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls and myself.
How pathetic is it that a discussion about cutting millions from the budget by reducing busing has to turn into "Lisa is a fatty fat fatso!"
Really .... grow the F up!
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Quite honestly
How many people can get a job, some not even do a good job at it, and never be fired? Not a thing you can do about it?
Because they have tenure??? What kinda BS is that?
Yes there are alot of wonderful wonderful teachers in Lvsd but their are SOME that need to go!
And we are still paying BENSTOCK to sit on his a$$ with my tax money because he is still getting paid!!!
Now let me ask when he is PROVEN guilty does he have to pay ALLL THAT MONEY BACK????
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Teachers can be fired. It's called a 3020A procedure.
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The conversation was about voting out the union not firing an individual teacher.
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Agreed. And as far as I know we, as taxpayers, can't vote out the union. It would have to come from the teachers themselves or possibly from Albany. Neither scenario is likely. Meanwhile I think we should be focusing on how we are going to live within our means.
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Yes, let's live within our means.
The unfunded educationally unsounded mandates imposed on NY school districts for the 2012/13 school year EXCEEDED the entire amount of the 2% tax cap. Left with other unfunded mandates, including increased pension expenses, which also exceed the 2% tax cap, (unfunded mandates in total are about 250% more than the tax cap) the exceptionally fine academic North Shore school district had no choice but to announced the firing 16 to 18 teachers.
It seems the job of the North Shore administration and BOE will be to determine what programs and teachers to cut to pay for unfunded state mandates.
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Anon,
Well then start by cutting the NON-MANDATORY IB Program(me)!
DOH!
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The problem is that most people don't understand the concept about the 2% being based on the tax levy NOT budget to budget. That makes all the difference. I don't want my taxes to go up, but I want to maintain the quality of education for our kids. We have to get the word out about the levy so people can make and educated decision.
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when did everyone start hating teachers because of their retirement.are you going after the police next or maybe the firemen? shouldn't they be compensated for teaching your brats and putting up with some of you parents all these years?
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The North Shore school district does not have the non mandated IB program, they have the non mandated AP program.
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the teachers CAN vote the union out
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Please document that a teacher's union can be voted by the teachers and NOT replaced by another union.
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by law if you have a closed union shop everyone has to be union member
the union members can disassemble if they get 75% vote
so go get those cards and get the members, not just teachers, to fill them out
LVCSD union members if you want to do something right it is now time to do the right thing for the children and this community
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I think it's best to focus on reality and not be delusional here. Getting rid of the union is NEVER going to happen. Would you even consider asking the police or firemen to disband their unions? Why the teachers? Give me a break.
What is going to happen is that this 2% tax cap and how it's going to affect the school district. Maybe we should focus on that instead of going off in la la land....
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Who decides what announcements go on the emergency notification system?
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Well, the community voted out those guys that took a stand and the new boe led by its liberal president signed the current union contract negotiated by president's classmate and buddy. That's why we are in trouble now.
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LOL
Nice!!
DOUG, i agree isn't that # for emergencies?? Think i'll give a call to the admin building tomorrow! I have had enough! Makes me not want to vote at all! Out of spite!
But way more mature then that!
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Yes, a community would ask the police or firemen to disband in order to maintain costs.
That is the way this country is going.
This country was almost 100% union it is now only 30%
Slowly the unions are melting away and this little community can start by asking the teachers to decide what they want a job or the union.
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@Doug
The FCC stated that the use of the emergency notification system is for emergencies only
FCC.gov
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The LVCSD seems to think that since all other schools use their emergency notification system to make general announcements they should as well!!!!
When will someone in this district stand up and say we need to do what is right instead of doing what everyone else is doing????
Just because everyone else is doing it does that make it the right thing to do!!!!
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"Why are conservatives and libertarians allowing this clear violation of the constitution"
Hold on
IB is a federal programme funded by federal money for poor performing schools
One person has been telling everyone that for over five years but it has fallen on deaf ears
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Many schools that have IB are not public schools and do not receive federal money.
Most public schools that have the IB program do not receive federal money. LVCSD does not receive federal money for IB.
IB is not a federal program. Haven't you been listening to LIsa . IT is a international program endorsed by the U.N. The fed gov probably supports some aid for poor performing school districts to adopt IB! But that is afar cry from a federal program.
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Many schools that have IB are not public schools and do not receive federal money.
Most public schools that have the IB program do not receive federal money. LVCSD does not receive federal money for IB.
IB is not a federal program. Haven't you been listening to LIsa . IT is a international program endorsed by the U.N. The fed gov probably supports some aid for poor performing school districts to adopt IB! But that is afar cry from a federal program.
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Under the Obama administration and the 2009 ARRA and Race to the Top, over $10 Billion of U.S. taxdollars have been made available to implement "innovative programs" in Title I schools. Schools which have 40% or more free and reduced lunch students are considered Title I schools. Schools with less than 40% FRL, are called Targeted Assistance Title I. Only schools with 40% or more FRL are legally eligible to use Federal grant money to "launch" the IB PYP or MYP. Unfortunately, there are Superintendents in the U.S. who never bothered to read the fine print and who attempted to use ARRA money in Targeted Assistance schools for IB. I have caught one in NY and one in Ohio. Both of these Superintendents RETURNED most of the ARRA money and are now claiming they can pay for IB with Title IIa money.
Long Beach HS received $1.3M from ARRA for IB. However, the ARRA money has a time stamp on it and IB fees never go away, they increase annually. Once the Federal "free money" is no longer available, the local taxpayers will have to pick up the bill in order to "sustain" IB.
http://truthaboutib.com/images/IB_ARRAGuideFinal_-_race_to_the_top.pdf
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Think this doesn't matter? Think again!
http://www.republicanassemblies.org/rnc-adopts-resolution-exposing-agenda-21/
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Bin listenin but clearly you haven't
YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU AGREE WITH LISA!!!!
SAY NOT TO IBO
IB IS A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMME FOR LOW PERFORMING SCHOOLS AND IS RUN BY UNESCO A
UN ENTITY
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IB is not run by UNESCO.
IB is NOT a federal programs but among a number of 'innovative educational programs" Title 1 schools may consider to get SHORT TERM federal grant funding.
Very, very few IB schools are Title 1 schools. In fact, the profile of an IB school is usually high wealth, high performing. Many are private or magnet schools.
LVCSD is not a Title 1 school and does not get federal aid to support any of its programs, including AP or IB.
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The outstanding North Shore school district just fired 19 teachers to fund, among other mandates, switching to the "core curriculum" which NYS obliged itself to by accepting federal "Race to the Top" dollars.
So NYS abdicated its constitutional right to education for money and gave it to the federal government. I feel sorry for the students at North Shore who will now have an inferior curriculum designed for "at risk" students. I can just imagine what will happen in Jericho once the community understands what is going on.
And Senator Marcellino's reaction; "I am only one man." Within 36 months NYS will drop from a state ranking of 38th to last.
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Thanks for the solid finance foundation laid by former Board members, who are no longer on the Board, and our current Superintendent. We will be able to weather this tsunami much better than our neighboring districts. When they used to sound the alarm, no one listened. Now, it unfortunately has come true.
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IB IS A UNESCO PROGRAMME
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http://www3.unesco.org/iycp/Report/IBO.pdf
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Looks like UNESCO AND IBO are one!!!!!
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IBO=UNESCO=TERRORISM
LVCSD PROUD SUPPORT OF HAMAS
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I think you have been owned!!!!
UNESCO/UN/AGENDA 21/TERRORISM/HAMAS/PA STATE=ALL ONE
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Bill wrote:
"Very, very few IB schools are Title 1 schools. In fact, the profile of an IB school is usually high wealth, high performing. Many are private or magnet schools."
I'm sorry Bill, but that is simply incorrect. LVHS is an IB anomaly. I know you'd like to think IB is this "rigorous, elite programme", but the FACT of the matter is the vast majority of public IB programs around the country have been implemented in the poorest schools SO THAT THE DISTRICTS CAN TAP FEDERAL TITLE I MONEY!
IB is nothing more than "social justice"
Btw, LVMS is Targeted Assistance Title I.
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And of course, I always back up my statements with reports direct from IBO:
http://blogs.ibo.org/addressingaccess/files/2009/03/ibsurveyreportfinal.pdf
"Since 2003, International Baccalaureate has been engaged in a deliberate effort to increase access and expand “pathways” to the IB Diploma, and to create new supports to assist schools, particularly Title I schools, in that effort."
"of the schools now affiliated with International Baccalaureate, 92% are public schools, and almost one-third receive some form of Title I funding."
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You link is a report outlining the LESS THAN 30% of total IB SCHOOL (public and private) that receive "some sort of Title 1 funding"
That means the overwhelming majority, over 70% are non Title 1 schools. LV is not an anomaly, it is part of this large majority.
And as someone posted, 50% of the top 20 high schools in the U.S. are IB schools, while IB represents only 2% of the total high schools in the U.S. That is a high performance profile.
By the way, the report indicates IB is helping students in Title 1 schools achieve better academic performance.
I think it noble that IB is reaching out to poor performing, low wealth schools to give those students the benefits afforded to affluent private and magnet school students.
To be fair, I should have said, "very few IB schools are Title 1, not very, very, and I admit I thought the number with Ttitle 1 funding was around 20%.
Still my statements and basic premise are correct.
Thanks for the link, the report was interesting.
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I still am wondering why they are pushing the children that are STRUGGLING ( and these are the kids thar really want to do well) into IB AP classes , and getting 65's and they believe that is ok!
When they could possibly be in the top of their class in a regents class?
But no they have to go for extra help during lunch and after school just to pass?
Smh
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Bill,
Unfortunately, that report was from 2008, pre-2009 ARRA and Race to the Top. I guarantee you that with the infusion of Federal grant money, that percentage is closer to 50%.
I really wish you IBelievers would stop referring to Jay Mathews' lame Best High Schools list. Not only did he use an inaccurate figure of 27,000 HS's (it's much closer to 22,000) his List excludes TOP HS's like Thomas Jefferson where student SAT averages exceed 1300 and is based primarily on the number of students who sat AP/IB exams - not the number that PASSED. For that reason, LVCSD has pushed students who were not prepared for AP/IB exams to take them because LVCSD can stick the cost of those exams to the taxpayer. I don't know what it will take to wipe away the IB cobwebs from your eyes. It's very sad that so many still cling to the false promises and glossy marketing of IB while forcing other areas of the school to suffer.
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthejhalls,
Would you mind please taking some extra help in English, just to the point that your posts are readable.
Thank you
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Anon,
Do you wake up so nasty and snarky every day?
Read the message, don't attack the messenger. Btw, I had the pleasure of meeting Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls and her lovely family so back off, clown.
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Lisa, Do you honestly think that taking away IB will even begin to conquer the budget and tax cap situation? Do you also think that children who want to exceed standards should not have that opportunity? SO does that mean all of the outstanding things that LVCSD does for Special Needs kids should be removed as well. I support all of the children! Not just my own. I do not believe you are the same. I do not have children in IB, they have the option and I am glad that they do. It is not a terrorist program. I have never heard anything more ridiculous. We need to fight for relief of Unfunded Mandates that waste money and do not help the children. You really have no backing for thinking IB is harmful. I myself am glad I live in a district that offers programs for all needs. Do you not like people who like to excel? You were degrading and disrespectful to the graduates who are clearly so proud of themselves. Maybe you need a job.
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Lisa Did you maybe at one time apply for a teaching job at LVHS and were turned down this may explain alot.
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Informed Parent,
First of all, LVCSD receives money from NYS for every classified student enrolled. I have NEVER suggested cutting funding for children with special needs and in fact, was one of the first VP's of SEPTA in this district.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny the facts I present to you. I can't help you there. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
$300,000 is $300,000. It's a dent.
Cut transportation to 2 mi. - $1M saved
Save your pathetic personal attacks. What I need is a buyer for my house to get away from narrow-minded, selfish, petty cowards like you.
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Chase???
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IB is a NON mandated programme
Cutting IB would be a start in cutting the fat in the budget
IB only serves a handful of children in this district
IB is a program through UNESCO funded by the federal government for poor performing schools
UNESCO voted in the PA state, therefore supporting terrorist. The US cut funding UNESCO after UNESCO voted in Palestine because of an agreement made many years ago that if any UN organization supported Palestine, terrorists, the US would stop sending financial support.
At face value IB looks like a good program. The bottom line is to achieve one world order under the authority of the UN and their declaration of peace.
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Exactly so, More Informed Parent. In fact, I just came across a document that is one of IBO's "proprietary" documents that is only supposed to be viewed by teachers and administrators. Although this is for the PYP, IB's "philosophy" and agenda is fluid throughout all three of its program(mes):
http://www.itari.in/categories/PYP/IBOPYP.pdf
Let me refer you to page 3:
"The PYP believes that the attempt to define the ideal of internationalism in ever clearer terms and the
struggle to move closer to that ideal are central to the mission of PYP schools.
Given the complexity and variety of PYP schools and the abstract nature of the concept itself it would be
naive to propose any simple definition and expect it to stand up to rigorous examination. Rather, the PYP
would suggest that any definition is likely to be compound, reflecting a range of interrelated factors. What
these factors might be is suggested later in this perspective.
However, in examining these factors during the years since the inception of the PYP, one aspect of PYP
schools emerges, not only as the most significant, but also as the common ground on which PYP schools
stand, the essence of what they are about: this is the kind of student who we hope will graduate from PYP
schools, the kind of person we would proudly call an internationalist."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/internationalist
internationalist - a member of a sociali-t or communi-t international
International - any of several international sociali-t organizations
Please read the SS "unity of inquiry" on Islam. It's a beauty.
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"back off clown" is attacking the message and not the messenger?"
Really, Lisa you are nothing if not a human attack machine on anyone who disagrees with you. Very direct personal attacks., lead by your favorite disparaging negative description "moron", not to mention the most recent NARROW MINDED,SELFISH, PETTY COWARD. Is this focusing on the message or the messenger. What duplicity!
Besides the advise to Haveyouwaledthroughthehallslately is constructive. The posts are virtually unreadable . The point is not the message but the messenger who cannot or will not write a coherent sentence.
I didn't see it at all as an attack based on content disagreement, but a request to write to be understood.
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IB is not a 2% budget cap issue, as illustrated by North Shore. As noted in a prior post North Shore does not have IB but the non mandatory AP.
North Shore just announced it will cut 19 teachers, ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL faculty. Islip just announced closing two schools and Huntington eliminated full day kindergarden. Neither school has the IB program.
The issues are public pension which are out of control and need immediate reform. The increase pension expense to North Shore's from the state is more than the entire 2% tax cap. That's the problem
In addition the state continues to impose other unfunded mandates. The requirement to change to the "core curriculum" and train staff to administer AARP and increase student intervention, cost NS more than the tax cap.
So NS's mandated increases from the state, just on these two items, is double the tax cap.
IB,AP or administrative expenses are not the issue. The pension system and mandates are.
Without changes at the state NY will quickly go the way of California.
Lisa , just kidnaps every discussion and turns it into an IB discussion.
Just ask the parents at NS, Islip, Huntington or William Floyd, for that matter, who fired 200 teachers in the last two years what IB had to do with the devastating financial cutbacks. The answer; absolutely nothing.
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Heather,
Bite me.
Thomas,
ALL districts are going to have to find the money to pay those public pensions and benefits. DUH! And I'm sick and tired with the whining about UNFUNDED MANDATES.
Get an Obama waiver from NCLB. NYS has allowed the teacher's union to enslave our school districts - so unless you can convince the Democrat NYS legislature to make NY a right to work state and bust up some of these unions, there's not a heckuva a lot you can do in that dept.
But you CAN cut the fat. So if you want LVCSD to KEEP more of its teachers, then cut IB. Cut busing for kids who live within 2 miles of a school. CUT CUT CUT! Pay to Play sports. You can WHINE or you can be fiscally responsible.
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Lisa,
Sure cut the programs and pay for the "core curriculum" Easy when your children are grown. I can just imagine your reaction if your children had to pay for their BOCES program. Talk about a wast to the rest of the tax payers.
Yes, pay to play but the district paid $20k each for your children's special programs. Talk about self centered and selfish.
I am anxious to see how districts that value education like Jericho and Syosset will react. I wonder if they will cut cut cut. Actually, it will be interesting to see how LV will react.
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Actually, IB serves MOST of the children in the district. In Dr. McGuire's presentation it showed that over 70% of the high school seniors and juniors took at least one IB course, 50% took three or more and and almost 20% of last years class received the IB diploma.
Now since virtually all students become juniors and seniors that is an exceptionally large number of students that benefit from the program, especially when compared with other non mandated programs, like say Theather and BOCES
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Thomas,
IB is NOT core curriculum! However, if you actually bothered to research the Commie Core Standards, you will see that some international "standards" have been incorporated.
http://www.corestandards.org/assets/CCSSI_ELA%20Standards.pdf
Now, a school district can REJECT money from Race to the Top so it doesn't have to comply with some of those allegedly "unfunded mandates" being imposed on public schools, not by the State, but by the Feds.
Oh look! Here is Roslyn and your beloved SouthSide HS opting out:
http://www.fios1news.com/longisland/node/10753
For the record, I PAID to send my daughter to the BOCES Performing Arts summer program and I would have willingly PAID the tuition for her to attend 1/2 day. Did you know in many other states, parents are required to PAY TUITION if they want to send their kids to FULL DAY KINDERGARTEN, instead of 1/2 day?
There are MANY creative ways to increase revenue without increasing taxes or decreasing the teaching staff. Stop the whining.
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Deny the facts you present to me? It is not even worth communicating with you on this any longer. I find it and you embarrassing. I am more informed than you even know but I will fight for the children and you can keep being about as unclassy and offensive to our students as I have ever seen. Interesting that you want these cuts when your kids are no longer there. Would you have suggested cutting transportation to 2 miles when you needed the buses? Many people, especially working parents, would be in a tight spot with that one but you don't care because it doesn't affect you. IB is a great program that opens their minds to other options. But close minded people don't like it. Good luck to you. I actually pity you. I will spend my time with things that matter. Not the Bayville Blog anymore.
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Anonymous,
Percentages can be played both ways. Here are last year's IB results:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/LVHS_IB_2011.pdf
I suppose it all depends on our respective definitions of what constitutes a "benefit".
109 of the 576 IB exams administered did not receive a passing score of '4' (or 19% failure rate)
Those 109 exams alone cost the taxpayers $26,269.
Only NINE (9) out of the 576 exams scored a '7' (the highest) or 1.5%
Students have NO CHOICE but to take an IB course because Honors and AP have been eliminated in 11th and 12th Grades!
ONE (1) STUDENT sat for the IB Further Mathematics exam and received a '2'. Now I am guessing that a class was not set up for this ONE STUDENT and that the exam which we paid for was taken independently, but really ......... WHY? Only 3 out of the 12 students who took HL IB Math earned a passing grade of '4' on the IB exam. That means 75% of the class DID NOT BENEFIT, at least in terms of earning applicable college credit.
By comparison, if you look at stats I pulled from 1995-96, 17 LVHS students took AP Calculus AB and 94% of them passed!!!!! 94%! http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
In 2011 - LVHS didn't even OFFER AP Calculus AB!!!!!!!!!!
So - you tell me. Which was a more RIGOROUS, BENEFICIAL and COST EFFECTIVE system for MORE students?
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Locust Valley was the first district in NYS to opt out race to the top, before the schools mentioned in the article. All it saves is a minimum amount of money and the processing expense would be more.
However, since NYS accepted "Race to the top" dollars ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN NYS must adopt the "core curriculum, administer AARP, and adhere to federal student standards. All this will cost each school district millions of dollars, far exceeding the tax cap. Stop doing sloppy research and get the facts correct. All you try and do is mislead.
Please pray tell the great creative ways to raise substantial revenue - North Shore would appreciate your guidance.
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MisinformedParent,
Since I have no idea who you are, your OPINION won't be missed and you are not worthy of a reply, other than bye bye!
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Thomas,
Please provide proof that LVCSD opted out of Race to the Top since Newsday "missed" that.
NYS never should have signed on to the Common Core Standards. But let's be clear, they are only STANDARDS - NOT a curriculum.
What is AARP - the teacher evaluation component? LVCSD is already spending over $10,000 annually for computer software that as I recall, the Principals at the time didn't think was all that great.
I've listed many revenue raising options above. Go back and read them again.
Didn't North Shore opt-out of Regents exams many years ago?
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“When funds are siphoned from a public-education system that is already feeling the pressure of underfunding, every student will pay the price,” KTTA president Jason Karpuk said in a statement released this week.
“There is not enough money to fund existing programs, yet the [SD73] board has found over a quarter-million dollars, plus significant additional funds in years to come, for the IB program.”
http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/138530329.html
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Newday missed a number of schools that opted out of "Race to the top" They have been asked to print a correction.
There is a big difference between $10K and the millions of dollars required to implement AARP, The Core Curriculum and other federal standards. We do agree NYS should never have accepted "Race to the top" money
The statistic is clear 70% of LV students took an IB course and 82% either or both an IB or AP course.
Actually an 81% passing rate with an open enrollment policy is Great. Do we say a sport's program is useless if the team wine 80% of its games. Indeed, we feel it valuable if a child participates even if the team is not that successful or the child is not an accomplished athlete. The same is true for children who participate in drama or any other activity who have marginal talent. They benefit from the experience.
The value of an AP or IB is first and foremost introducing student to standards required for college and university work. College credits are great but secondary.
The student you mentioned who received a 2 on the IB Further Mathematics program was just accepted to Stanford University,(recently rated the #6 University in the country) and as you know very few students nationwide, I think less than 100, take this extremely advances math course. Just taking this course helped in his consideration at Stanford.
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Nobody cares what programs you paid for your children. The rip off was the school district, with taxpayer money, paid $20k, for non mandated special programs for your children and provided transportation as well. Now, you have the nerve to advocate the elimination of most busing for children and pay to play and generally to quote you "cut, cut, cut." Talk about selfish and self centered.
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Thomas,
So you are saying that LVHS ran the IB Further Mathematics course for ONE student? Are you kidding me? Whatever happened to the MINIMUM class size policy of 8? Hmmmm?
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And one more thing. That "81% pass rate" on IB exams includes fully half of those exams at SL (Standard Level - college-prep) which are not recognized for college credit at MOST U.S. universities. Check out the "pass rate" for LVHS's AP exams (college-level) ..... 41%. That percentage was brough UP to 41% because of one brilliant student who independently scored '5's on AP exams without the courses being taught. Why don't you tell me why only 23% of the kids who took AP U.S. History earned a '3' or better?
I also asked you what AARP is. As far as I know, AARP stands for http://www.aarp.org/
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Anonymous,
CUT, CUT, CUT!
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Heather And Anon,
I will not lower myself to your level!
You both seem quite angry and feel the need to taje it out on me, fine go ahead! If that is what makes you feel bigger/ better great!
I really feel sorry for you both though! For such a thing!
I will Pray for you both!
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That 81% passing rate compares very favorably with schools that don't have open enrollment. So the students are doing great.
You should ask the administration why the AP passing rates are what they are, I can only speculate. One, perhaps since AP is an inferior program not many resources are put into it. Perhaps it is because children are taking these courses in 9th and 10th grade. Perhaps it is because the students see little value in these courses and don't apply themselves. Perhaps AP training for teachers is weak, since it has less value. Perhaps a combination of all or some of the above. At any rate LV is an IB school and hopefully they will expand the program and rid itself completely of AP.
You should also ask the administration how the IB Further Mathematics course was structured.
BYW, how do you know the score of an individual student? That is not, public information. Did you just make the score up?
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Thanks Penny, I appreciate your prayers. I will pray you take the time to write a coherent sentence. Who knows, perhaps you have something interesting to say.
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Haveyouwalkedthroughthehalls,
Don't let these Stepford wives with their brains full of mush upset you. They can't stand the fact that you have made some excellent observations about the overall environment at our HS, so they can only attack you personally. Prayers might help them, but I doubt it. You are indeed, the much bigger person.
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Lisa said,
"Bite me"
My goodness, the visual is overpowering. Biting Lisa, ugh, ugh, ugh. I spent the last hour throwing up.
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Heather,
Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls is NOT Penny! But Penny and I are having quite the giggle watching you try and figure out who she is. Just like you all went crazy when I wrote that op-ed under the pen name Roberta Grant. You just can't wait to insult, malign and attack anyone who DARES to disagree with the "status quo".
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And Heather, please use some mouthwash after your little bulimic episode. The stink of your breath is seeping into your posts and polluting this blog.
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Lisa doesn't think much of IB, what does MIT and Princeton think:
"The IB is a first rate program, one we are familiar with, and it prepares students well for a university like ours." Fred Hargadon, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Princeton University
"Send us prepared students, like those from IB. It is the best high school prep curriculum an American school can offer." Marion Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admissions, MIT
Now I wonder, who will a parent rely on for credible information; Lisa or the Directors of Admissions for Princeton and MIT?
Why is it that Lisa is in such odds on IB with these distinguished Universities?
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Anon,
Because Lisa doesn't put faith in imaginary quotes and rather, looks to the actual credit policies for such fine institutions of learning as MIT and Princeton:
MIT - HL only, score of '7'
http://web.mit.edu/firstyear/2015/subjects/intl.html#ib
Princeton - IB HL only, doesn't even provide an IB credit schedule, only AP
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/applyingforadmission/preparation/advanced_placement/
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These are not imaginary quotes but what the Directors of these fine institutions said about IB. Now why would these fine institutions find such nice things to say about IB.
What don't they describe them in the words you use. Why do they so respect them? Why are you so far removed from the thinking of the best educators?
What do you make of Marion Jones fro MIT SAYING "IB is the best... an American school can offer" How come she didn't say AP courses are the best?
What does Cornell say. All these schools like and respect IB, WHY?
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The LVCSD website just reported that Newsday made two errors in reporting about the district.
1- State aid was $70k NOT $150K
2- LV did not apply for "Race to the top"
http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/
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Thomas, Open, Belief or whoever you are ....
If these are REAL quotes, then please link the source you are retrieving them from. Either you are technologically inept, or intellectually inept .... or both.
Or ... you can simply refer to the ACTUAL credit policies I posted which show a preference for AP over IB.
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Hmmm, still don't see that IB Alumni video on the website.
Nor do I see the Board Actions from December or January. What's up with that, LVCSD?
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/board_of_education/board_actions
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"Fine institution of IB"
LMFAO
LVCSD proud sponsors of Hamas for over five years
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I agree with Lisa, the IB program is not the best fit for LVCSD.
The costs outweigh the benefits.
The LVCSD did take part in the race for the top and is now regretting it.
Cutting IB from the budget is the first step in meeting our financial needs.
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"These are not imaginary quotes but what the Directors of these fine institutions said about IB. Now why would these fine institutions find such nice things to say about IB."
Yes, why would fine institutions say nice things about IB?
Because they are getting a kick back that is why!
IB is one of the worst programs a school district could institute.
IB was originally for poor performing schools so they could provide a higher level of learning to the under served.
As parents you should really educate yourselves on the relationship of the UN, UNESCO, Agenda 21 and One World Order.
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Lisa,
Nope, takes more then people i don't know typing on a wall to upset me!!! LOL!! but thank you for your concern! Really!!
Although its really sad to see people get so angry over such things grammar!!! Really aren't their more IMPORTANT thing going on in life than that you can be fighting for/ over?
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@Haveuwalked
Nope there ain't notin betyer thn gettin on bout somons grammar.
Thees folks heer r gist the best in all sorts of thins like engish, nd matit weez folks jist plan on simple folks not like yer IB folks theys jist thee smartist folks theys lov payin money fur it like it is growin off of ther tree ther. yep no one chekin on thems administraiters makin sur they is spendin wisely nope jist spendin and spendin. Tehys dont car if jist one kid a class theys have the class anyway and that ther kid gits a 2 on the exem nope no one cares. Yep all thees IB classis runnin wit jit 1 or 3 kids in a class and the other classis wit 30 kids nope no one care. Weez jist simple folks cant figure it out yep they jist pulled a fst one on usm yes sir ye, shame shame shame. Weez jist git back to goinin to yer meetins and gittin the trut from the mommies yep theyz know weez jist litin to the mommies
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FYI,
ROTFLMAO!
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i figured that once i let huck finn and jim through on their raft last week it would only be a matter of time before they spoke up on this
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Senator Marcellino spoke last night and said he was proud that five of the best school districts in the country were in his district. He said LV's graduation rate, number of Advanced Regents Diploma, high number of gradates going on the college and especially the outstanding performance of special needs student were all reasons for community members to feel great pride in their school district.
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Bill,
That's so sweet. I'm glad Sen. Marcellino is proud. He'll get my vote because he is an (R) and anyone who aligns themselves with the (D's) should simply stop voting altogether.
However, if someone runs as an (L), that person would get my vote.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/indialenon/100133173/the-international-baccalaureate-is-completely-overrated-it-doesnt-do-sixth-formers-justice/
Gosh, did you read that line about the number of IB schools in the UK that "fell" last year? Hmmm, I bet most people would call that a DECLINE.
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Yes, the depth of study in the U.K. educational system (as opposed to breath) is at the very heart of the A-study. In fact, without the scandals surrounding A-STUDY it is doubtful that IB would ever have penetrated the U.K. educational system as dramatically as it has. Still, unless someone shows evidence to the contrary, I believe the decline is rather light. I stand to be corrected.
What is true however, is the total disdain the English elite have for secondary education in the U.S., and the fact that we could ever consider AP courses preparation for university learning. To the english elite AP is a joke.
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@Bridge
Weez jist wanna thnk u fer lettin us pass the crik.
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To the American elite IB is a down rit lilly pickin thum sukin panzi butt class. I mean did ya evr think of havin to writ 4000 words on one paper and not evn passin grade lettin the tax payrs shell out thay kind of money fer 10% of the kids that go to that yer school. Hot doggin mad. yee ha its time to go git the fire and kick sum IB butt theys thinkin theys smarter then yer folk theys is jist dumber then dumb
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My name is ****** and I reside at ******** in Bedford, NH. I have three children in the Bedford public schools, aged 16,14, and 12. As you may know, Bedford High School is an IB School and heavily promotes IB. There are only 6 AP classes offered, all of them non-technical. My wife and I have very serious concerns about the IB program, and I am taking time to write this note to you to implore you to support HB 1403. I try to keep up with what's happening in the state, but like most people it is difficult to find time between job, kids, etc to voice my opinion. But I am making time for this.
I believe IB is detrimental to kids and should not be used in any school system. Throughout a K-12 education parents will have varying levels of support for different programs in their schools, but IB is far beyond that. It is limiting to NH kids' futures, increases taxes, and is fundamentally against how we want to raise and educate our kids and I find it offensive that I am forced to support IB with my tax dollars.
Here is what I have learned about IB through first-hand experience, and why I am opposed to IB and hence why I ask for your support of HB 1403:
IB tends to be a mile wide and an inch deep. e.g. my son is currently a Junior at BHS and has taken advanced math classes throughout his school years and has a 4.24 GPA. The "IB Calculus/Math Studies" he will take as a Senior is "40% Calculus, 60% other math topics". So he will be most likely unprepared to take a College Calculus exam to place out of college calculus! That is his reward for pushing himself in advanced math classes for years and getting A's!
Furthermore, the method of education is more based on "discovery" as opposed to a qualified teacher providing instruction. I have a math degree myself and I can see what this has done to my son's math comprehension. He frequently does not really know the math principle in question. He knows how to follow patterns and anticipate what's on a test so he can get an A. He's said repeatedly "the teacher didn't teach us that, I just know that's what you're supposed to do and the answer is right so that's what matters." The system is failing if one of the top students at BHS says that.
It is an unnecessary cost on the school budget. AP classes can be provided for no additional cost and provide better education and are much more widely accepted and acknowledged by top universities.
This may sound controversial or inflammatory, but the IB program emanates from the IBO, a UN-backed organization, and is fundamentally anti-US. I believe the US is a great country which became great by the values and ideals set forth in the Declaration and the Constitution. The UN and IBO do not believe that. In fact, it is evident to me by the research I've done at www.ibo.org and elsewhere, that the IB program tries to level the field by tearing down the US and planting anti-US thoughts in the IB students. I didn't want to believe that, but I
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[cont.]
... could come to no other conclusion as I researched IB
I believe there is absolute right and wrong, and IB is wrong. IB believes right and wrong is just a perspective. I believe parents should have a say in not just how their kids are educated, but what values are instilled in them. Right now, we have no choice. IB instills values that are 180 degrees from the values we want for our kids. If I had the money, I would pull all three kids out and put them in private schools, but alas I do not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LeGYAfh9A1k
LVCSD and those that support the IB program support Hamas
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It appear Lisa, always more than a little neurotic, now borders on totally psychotic. Principles of logic, dating back to pre ancient Greece, start with the fundamental fallacy of reasoning from a particular event to a universal conclusion. This truth is self evident and most people intuitively know it whether they have even taken a philosophy course. However, LIsa's post ignore this elementary building block which is necessary to obtain truth and knowledge. If one were to use her logic we could conclude " My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my
friend loves school because he finds it useful.
For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts.
Lisa, you may want to read the rules of syllogisms. The most elementary and, in many ways, easiest to understand were written centuries ago by St. Augustine and Aristotle. Any
decent library would have them. Not a simple read but not difficult, you just need to be open to
truth. Oops, sorry to take you out of your comfort zone.
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Oh joy. An IB student attempting to apply TOK on the Bayville Blog. I will not stoop to attempting to diagnose this student's socio-cognitive dysfunction as a result of suffering this age-inappropriate course, however, I will point out that he/she is simply wrong:
"Principles of logic, dating back to pre ancient Greece, start with the fundamental fallacy of reasoning from a particular event to a universal conclusion."
I believe you meant to refer to a "logical fallacy" and I can just as easily claim LVCSD's support for IB is exactly that.
Investing more money in a school and buying an international "programme" produces life-long learners who are better critical thinkers"
Where is the Truth? Where are the "acceptable proven facts"?
You haven't taken me outside of my "comfort zone" in the least and I don't appreciate your condescension and arrogance. But I forgive you because those are the personal "values" IB instills.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
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" My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my friend loves school because he finds it useful."
Well golly you dont think u need to take a class on "TOK" cause this aint have notin to do wit TOK. TOK is man made up logic. It is jist somin theys made up to make you think you are thinkin dag. Even Jack know dat.
You think about this, "When i think back at all the crap I learned in high school, its a wonder i can think at all"
Now dats the truth if you take IB
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OUR AMERICAN SCHOOLS ARE BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE UN/UNESCO AND SO IS OUR COUNTRY
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SELL OUT
http://dalesdesigns.net/LOST.htm
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http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-united-nations-wants-to-crash-the-world-economy-in-order-to-save-the-environment
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1) Compared to AP, IB will increase college costs for most students.
2) The IB diploma required TOK class is composed entirely of questions like, "When can it be right to disobey the law? Can suicide bombers be right?"
3) IB will not improve student performance.
4) IB's pedagogical method is one of constructivism and inquiry based learning to promote a specific ideology.
5) IB is extremely expensive.
6) Why schools drop IB.
7) Some people have religious concerns with IB.
8) IB is an NGO of UNESCO (UN) and the goal is to promote the UN ideology.
9) At the elementary level IB is forced on all children in the school and the stated goal is to "develop attitudes," and to get students to "take action."
10) With IB, schools give up some local control to a Swiss organization.
11) AP is the best fit for gifted students.
12) When IB/AP classes are combined the IB material must take priority.
13) For the IB diploma students must complete 10 required classes in 11th and 12th grade.
14) IB is implemented in a deceitful way over and over throughout the United States. Once someone questions IB an open and honest discussion is never allowed, and the community becomes divided.
To find proof supporting all the points above read the entire article.
http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx
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Our district began the implementation of IB over two years ago. When IB was brought to the attention of our city, we became completely divided. IB is very costly and controversial and is usually implemented without the knowledge of the tax payers funding the cost. Our BoE never voted to implement or apply for Application A. Our BoE and Administration never conducted a feasibility study and have not released an IB budget. The CFO claims the "soft costs" are not recorded therefore she cannot share the costs with the public. This has been a very volatile debate, parents opposing IB have been bullied, intimidated, threatened and have even had property damaged. IB supporters are few; administration, teachers and a handful of parents. Our district is "limping along" and cannot afford this costly Programme and our community can not afford to stay divided! Many are enrolling in private schools and some are moving from the district completely. The PYP is unnecessary and is not a good fit for SMF! Let's learn from other areas and not let history repeat itself!
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The LVCSD continues to keep their heads in the sand about this program.
They are not informing the tax payers of the costs and they continue to discredit Lisa due to her objection of the program.
The parents just continue to enroll their children into the classes because it is FREE college for their children. A few parents stated that if it saves them a year college tuition they didn't care. FREE
What every parent needs to look at is the programs mission as stated in the above posts.
The mind set of the parents in this district is that they are entitled to FREE college
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http://educationviews.org/2011/10/17/why-parents-should-reject-ib
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This sounds so much like the conflict and screwy arguments going on in our town of Stow regarding IB. The citizens have become so upset about the lying and underhandedness and screwy thinking without looking the realities of IB in the face. Lisa has done a great job and opening up and helping us realize the truth about IB.
Thank you Lisa for speaking the truth and standing your ground. IB is a device of discension, anti-American, and gross values.
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My nephew in another state who is really really smart and motivated hated IB, so that worries me.
Can someone tell me how many hourse of homework a night an IB student typically gets?
I've heard of two stories recently where IB students dropped out of their athletic pursuits because there wasn't enough time to do both sports and IB.
Is that true - their isn't enough time to do both?
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Hi a father,
Here is an IB student forum which addresses your homework question:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=334847
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@ a Father
Easy....You must apply the TOK
"My nephew in another state who is really really smart and motivated hated IB, so that worries me."
TOK...
" My friend hates school because he finds it useless, therefor school must be useless. Really? What if my
friend loves school because he finds it useful."
"For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts."
So another really really smart child must love IB somewhere which cancels your really really smart and motivated nephew. Which brings us to conculed that your nephew must be lazy and unmotivated because he wants to play sports.
OR
He wants to play sports because he finds playing sports useful and another kids find playing sports not useful so this leads us to conclude that "For this reason, particular examples are helpful only when first accompanied by acceptable, proven facts."
IB is not useful, it breaks down your selfesteem and your nephew should do what he likes and what will motivate him more and build his self esteem. Sports builds self esteem and motivation and IB does not.
IB kills brain cells, is the number one reason for child obesity and heart disease.
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By Dennis Prager.
"To the students and faculty of our high school:
I am your new principal, and honored to be so. There is no greater calling than to teach young people.
I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country.
First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity. I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American.
This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America , one of its three central values -- e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." And this school will be guided by America 's values. This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.
Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.
Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language. My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here -- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English -- but if you want cla
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but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school. Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school. Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f-word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "Nigger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "bitch," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene. Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight. Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue. There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately lucky -- to be alive and to be an American. Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you."
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I don't know who posted the above by Dennis Prager, but much as I like it, Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host, not a Principal.
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Here is the latest, LVCSD is now bribing students with Homework passes if their parents will attend the next budget meeting. Great message to teach the kids!
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@Lisa
I think someone sent it to Dennis and he read it on his show
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LVCSD BRIBES THE YOUNGSTERS WITH HOMEWORK PASSES ALL THE TIME
IF YOU TAKE AN IB CLASS THEY GIVE YOU A HOMEWORK PASS
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Here is the latest, LVCSD HAS BEEN bribing THE PARENTS with DRIVERS' ED to get them to vote for the budget. Great message to teach the kids! We are the only district that offers DRIVERS' ED for FREE.
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The parents in this district are clearly sending the message that they want anything they can get and they want it for FREE.
That is the main reason IB continues to be part of the curriculum in this district FREE college credits
Last year they bribed the parents to support the budget with drivers ed and they were bought
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Here is my prediction for budget 2012. Jack Dolce has been telling wives to get their husbands to come to budget meetings. Secretly, he is setting up the stage for tax cap override. The public will be outraged when they see the high budget and that makes voting out Segulia and Bruno very easy. Lisa will seize the moment and her dream of being on BOE will finally come true.
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Yes, Jack is known for meeting with the ladies daily for breakfast at the luncheonette then running off to the Butterfly Garden or to The Greenhouse for his daily deep cleansing massage and facial, plotting his master plan to over turn the whole LVCSD BOE in hopes that one day he and Lisa will sit side by side at monthly BOE meetings finally being able to share a rigorous dialogue on IB. After his daily routine he ends the evening with his chums at Buckram Stables discussing his plans to override the tax cap over a dry martini with two olives. Ha Ha Ha Ha HA he mumbles under his breath Hunderfund will never see this coming!!!!
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Anonymous,
No interest. Just want to sell my house and get the heck away from these oppressive taxes.
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Fact 1: Jack got his son's godfather as the school lawyer, who happens to be his long time buddy and personal lawyer.
Fact 2: This school lawyer already raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees paid by LVSCD.
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I've been wondering about this question. Why does the vice president of the USA matter? That question seems as relevant as who sang the national anthem in the Superbowl. Yes if the students read current events they may know, but I would argue being familiar with the ins and outs of Obamacare, Social Security, Tax policy, the concerns with IRAN etc would be a better pool from which to gather questions worth asking. We can look up the VP in two seconds on any phone.
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Those questions you ask are not in the IB curriculum. IB does not encourage reading current events but only reading from the text books they print.....brain washing
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Hey, Anonymous wrote: .....brain washing
Can you enlighten me how TOK is used to brain wash kids?
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Ron,
Well, when Sarah Palin was the VP nominee, it sure made a HUGE deal to all the Dems who felt that she was unqualified to be the person "a heartbeat away from the Presidency". Now that Joe Biden is "a heartbeat away from the Presidency", all of the Lib hypocrites don't care that Mr. Gaffe a Second holds that role. KNOWING that sort of CORE KNOWLEDGE, should be a given.
You think LV IB students "know" the "ins and outs" of Obamacare? Really? None of our Congresscritters read the 2700 page bill, you expect HS students to figure out everything UNCONSTITUTIONAL about that bill that is going before the Supreme Court? Really?
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Anonymous,
Please review this page for a "sampling" of TOK "questions" posed to students. TOK forces students to PUBLICLY examine the religious beliefs they were raised with. This truly is a violation of separation of church and state. Where does a PUBLIC school get off intruding on a child's personal beliefs?
http://truthaboutib.com/theibhiddencurriculum/ibtokcurriculum.html
The same Liber loons who support IB and TOK would scream bloody murder if we asked for a unit on Intelligent Design to be included with Biology!
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TOK is based on "views" there is no right or wrong but "intellectual" discussion based on what?
"Intellectual" discussion is based on what the teacher teaches not always based on facts.
A teacher uses a text book written by a communist the "intellectual" discussion is based on communism but the discussion is never right or wrong.
A FORM OF BRAIN WASHING
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Actually, I didn't know the TOK textbook was written by a communist. That changes the discussion, could you please list the author's name, I haven't been able to find it and I would like to research him/her /them.
Thank you
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Anon,
Not to disrespect Anonymous, but there ARE NO prescribed textbooks for IB, TOK or any other IB course. Unfortunately, in LVHS when IB was first thrust upon us, I guess the SS Dept picked Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" for the primary textbook for IB History of the Americas. Howard Zinn is a well known international sociali-t.
This is an overview of TOK as defined by IB:
http://truthaboutib.com/images/IBTOK_materials_1.pdf
Btw, AP is not exempt from using extreme left-wing, pro-Islam textbooks. Check out the textbook "World Civilizations" used for AP World History .... holy cow!
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A text book could be written by anyone
A class and the teacher has an "intellectual" discussion on a chapter in the text book
The "intellectual" discussion is not right or wrong
The teacher persuades the class with his or her beliefs
Also known as brain washing. Hitler used this form of brain washing.
Not to disrespect Lisa, but the whole education system has been moving towards extreme left winged, pro islam text books for many years.
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http://www.newfoundations.com/GALLERY/Hitler.html
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Lisa,
Why do you worry about Joe Biden is only a heart beat away? If he goes, John Boehner will be the President. Are you worried about him? Is he too liberal for you?
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"The teacher persuades the class with his or her beliefs
Also known as brain washing. Hitler used this form of brain washing"
This comment is beyond simpleminded and dull witted. It is halfwitted, inane and insipid, and leads to the conclusion that there should be no teachers. Or should we try and find teachers who have no beliefs, as if that is even possible.
Do Professors Thomas Sowell, John Lott and Robert P. George brain wash students?
Did Professor Milton Friedman, the Nobel economics and foremost advocate of the free market brain wash his students at the University of Chicago? Did Professor Paul Samuelson elevating the study of economics through mathematical equations and derivatives, which argued against many of Professors Friedman's conclusions brain wash his students?
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i didn't realize my first grade teacher was brain washing me with her beliefs when she taught me the alphabet and addition. Shame on you, Mrs. Lammers.
Thanks for helping me realize the role of a teacher. I will immediately pull my children from school on Monday.
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"This comment is beyond simpleminded and dull witted. It is halfwitted, inane and insipid, and leads to the conclusion that there should be no teachers. Or should we try and find teachers who have no beliefs, as if that is even possible."
This comment is more of a simple minded man.
Since you did not take TOK you do not understand "theory"
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Yes, Einstein tried to brain wash us with his "theory of relativity".
Teachers and professors are always presenting theories, that is how we learn.
You are doltish and thick. Read your post, you actually said to understand theory one needs to take TOK.
Likely, many of the world's greatest minds never took a course in Epistemology and postulated some of the world's greatest theories, which eventually became laws.
There is no record Newton postulated his theories, later laws, of motion after taking a course in justification versus speculation.
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Good, you are answering a little of your own question!
TOK/Epistemology is the use of speculation not knowledge.
"Yes, Einstein tried to brain wash us with his "theory of relativity"." This statement just proves that you do not understand theory.
If you continue to teach by speculating you don't learn but brainwash
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Idiots calling each other idiots! How refreshing .... LOL!
Are you people incapable of reading the definition of TOK which I linked above? Seriously?
Pathetic. It's a course about "how you know what you know". In other words, it's complete and total BS.
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Truth,
Are you incapable of objectively analyzing a course without making it personal to individuals? What is your major malfunction?
The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student. This may be a "fun" course to take in junior or senior year of university but is age-inappropriate for HS students. When delivered to teenagers, it IS brainWASHING. Frankly, sitting around contemplating their navels for a period would be more worthwhile. Take a look at the grades LVHS students scored on their TOK essays! Horrible! And LVCSD even hired a TOK Consultant to try and improve their "elite" Marxi-t course.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/habermas/1968/theory-knowledge.htm
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Lisa: 90% correct
Truth: recommend going to school
TOK: 100% brainwashing methodology similar to Hitler's theory
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Anon,
I'm not going to disagree with you that Hitler used similar indoctrination techniques. But here's the problem with pointing that out to Progressives who think courses like TOK create "critical thinkers". Once you bring Hitler into the argument, the left-wing loons point out how it was Hitler's "extreme nationalism" that was "bad" ..... and so, over the years, the Libs have sought to apply that same label to those of us who believe in U.S. sovereignty and patriotism as Nazis. They have also created a specious "debate" tool called Godwin's Law which basically declares anyone who cites Hitler in an argument, automatically loses. Therefore, I find it a lot easier and less stressful to focus on Karl Marx whom Progressives seem to idolize.
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Actually, philosophy and Epistemology, in particular, guards against brainwashing. It teaches us to question what we know and how we know. It is the opposite of blind acceptance (brain washing)
People like Lisa fear an inquiring mind. They want dogma -- their dogma. Some of the greatest teachers and writers of Epistemology found that the curiosity born of questioning lead to a natural extension of knowledge-- faith
It is interesting to note that the education and /or writing of many religious leaders from St. Thomas and St. Augustine to Pope John Paul is steeped in philosophy. They not were brain washed in secular extremism but open to the limits of reason and, for them, the beauty of faith In fact, contrary to reinforcing Marxism,one is left to conclude Pope John's deep exploration of philosophy was instrumental in his substantial contribution to the defeat of communism.
There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable.
High school students capable of understanding IB Physics or AP Calculus are more than capably of grasping rudimentary philosophy.
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"Actually, philosophy and Epistemology, in particular, guards against brainwashing."
INCORRECT
It opens an avenue to brainwashing.
There is nothing wrong with critical thinking or dialogue except when you do not have any facts to exchange you then listen to the one leading the exchange, brainwashing.
"There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable."
CORRECT, EXCEPT when you do not have any facts to base that search on then you are again the listener being brainwashed.
"High school students capable of understanding IB Physics or AP Calculus are more than capably of grasping rudimentary philosophy."
INCORRECT
College students can't handle rudimentary philosophy, hence OWS and Obama
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“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Who said this?
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If TOK/IB is not a method for brainwashing then why don't the youngsters report on current events in school?
Can't you find truth to current events?
Or does the LVCSD/IB program only want the students to read from IB accepted text books so the youngsters don't have the opportunity to have a dialogue on current events???
My child has challenged his/her teachers and they have difficulty seeking the "truth", why???
When he/she challenged his history teacher during a discussion on communism he/she stepped out of the box and compared the government bailouts a form of communism. He/she was told the discussion will end!!!! Don't we want our children to critically think???? But only on certain terms????
"There is beauty in the search for truth, even if it sometimes uncomfortable."
Guess that teacher was uncomfortable!!!!
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Anonymous wrote:
"People like Lisa fear an inquiring mind. They want dogma -- their dogma"
Coming from a Progressive/Marxi-t who supports IB, your assertion is LAUGHABLE! IB claims to be a "programme of inquiry" but God forbid anyone "inquires" about details and the cost of IB! Do you not recall my very first forum thread in The Leader, Anonymous? It was called "Unanswered Questions About IB". So really, spare me your condescending crap.
It is NOT the place of PUBLIC schools to bring a child's "faith" under examination and "exploration".
Your claim that TOK results in revealing "Truth" is as far from the truth as possible.
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I would define my politics as right of center. I am a fiscal conservative, a free market advocate, who abhors big government. I am an extremely strong proponent of individual responsibility. I believe in America's greatness and rue the day President Obama was elected.
I believe Obamacare is unconstitutional and that Obama's foreign policies have weakened the strength and power of our great country.
I have never advocated for IB and frankly, don't really know that much about it.
I do support a course on Epistemology in a high school curriculum. Since the course happens to be in the IB program you assume I support the entire IB Program. Why??? And from there you assume you know my entire political ideology. Talk about an emotional, illogical conclusion.
You are so totally consumed with anything to do with IB that you cannot control yourself and allow yourself to think straight.
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Anonymous, Anon, Truth, whoever the heck you are,
I have no idea which Anonymous is spewing which crap. There are about 30 different Anonymouses on here.
If you want to have a reasonable discussion, at least pick a handle that I can consistently identify with your "thoughts" .
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Anonymous wrote:
“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Who said this?
i never actually said that. i only used to think it once in awhile listening to one of father peter's sermons.
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Anonymous
Why do school districts need to spend excessive amounts of money on a program ie: IB when a department of education can offer courses in theory, college level, at a minimal cost to the tax payer ???
IB=big government
"You are so totally consumed with anything to do with IB that you cannot control yourself and allow yourself to think straight."
The only ones not thinking straight are those that feel spending mega amounts on a program so a few children can get the IB diploma or HL credits, just to learn how to think, at the cost of the tax payer, that is not thinking straight. Common American educators can't challenge students to think for little costs!!!!
My theory, parents want free college credits at the cost to the tax payer.
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Bridge
That is a statement from a Marxist
The basis of IB
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Oy - more Anonymouses except the last two I agree with! Please people - I appreciate the input, but can't you pick a handle and stick with it? I don't care if it's 123LV or MoMof4 or Imadoodiehead or whatever!
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Bridge Mechanic,
LOL! You are a clever man.
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LOL
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FIRST!!!
How about partnering with colleges to offer college credit classes in high school as an elective for college credit.
The child that wishes to take college level classes can participate in HS have to maintain a B, non weighted, or more average etc. The teacher must have a Phd as would a professor in college.
Cut out the middleman, AP and IB
The costs can be minimal
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TOK PROCESS
REMEMBER THIS????
http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6808/Hes-Our-Man-Yes-We-Can-Pro-Obama-Song-Taught-to-Kindergarteners-at-TX-School.aspx
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Dear Imadoodiehead,
So pleased you chose that handle!
Great suggestion. Dual enrollment is very popular in other states. With C.W. Post, NYIT and SUNY Old Westbury right down the road, you would think SOMETHING could be worked out!
There really are no costs to AP other than the final exam, a budget item which I strongly believe should be stricken from the General Fund and reversed to the way it was for decades where the parents pay the exam fee. The College Board will reduce the $87 fee if financial need is demonstrated.
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Lisa,
I was having dinner with a friend the other night, her son takes an IB class! Now i was taken back when she said she had to pay 250? Dont qoute that number!
I " thought" that was paid for out of "OUR" taxes??? No?
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Haveyouwalkedthruthrhalls,
Well, either LVHS is double dipping or they reversed the policy. Let me check:
http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/our_schools/ib_fees
So ..... I recommend you share that link with your friend and ask her exactly what the $250 was for.
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LVCSD DID NOT sign up for Race to the top. LVCSD opted out of it when the State asked us to participate. While we opted out of receiving funds, we are still mandated to follow the Race to the Top rules.
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@jones
six of one half dozen of the other
LVCSD still receives federal funding for IB due to the low performing status!!!!!
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@Walking halls
was your friend a PTA mommy???
cause me thinks she was playing you so you spread the word that parents have to pay IB fees!!!!
those mommies have been brainwashed!!!!
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tax payers pay fees
school district gets reimbursed
federally funded
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/gt/ap
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/nclb/programs/titleia/sig1003g/1112/docs/SIGGuidance411final.pdf
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http://www.p12.nysed.gov/funding/2012-15perfimp/rfp.pdf
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Lisa,
Just got off the phone with my friend! "Non pta mommy"
Here is the scoop, it is the 4 yr science IB course at the end you need to pay for the college credits???
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Funny the school says they pay for IB
NOT the taxpayers
IB Fees
The school district pays for both the registration and exam fees for students enrolled in IB courses.
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"Projects must operate under the jurisdiction of the local board of education or board of trustees. The
local board of education or board of trustees is responsible for the proper disbursement of, and
accounting for, project funds"
Well, there you have it. The LVCSD BoE must be answerable to the public's questions regarding grant reimbursement for IB/AP exam fees.
Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
There is no such thing as a 4 yr. IB course.
Perhaps your non-PTA mommy is confused. Perhaps the $250 is a fee for the independent science research team to help cover mentoring/application costs with Intel?
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I have it from an inside source the money is funneled to the Boe and used to pay the presidents' attorney. I think their is a lot of under the table stuff going on. That's why our taxes are so high.
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Anonymous
Nope the LVCSD is just scamming the district with IB
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IB a glorified program to make you believe that your child is smart. The word out in the schools is that anyone taking IB is not smart and that their parents are pushing them into taking the classes. When you graduate from HS and college your IB credits and diploma are meaningless. No one cares if you took IB and mostly no knows what IB is. IB is NOT going to land you that million dollar job. It is up to the child in which way he/she will go. Garbage men get 6 figures and I bet not one garbage man has an IB credit or diploma. IB is a waste of money and not worth the stress you put onto your kid.
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The taxpayers want to vote to keep or not to keep the IB program.
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Your wrong, the money is under the counter and used tio pay off Dolce's friend. I have it from somebody who knows what is going on.
That why taxes are so high.big time scandal.
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you should change your name to BEYOND CLUELESS
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please keep this hush hush but the IB Program is a secret communist brainwashing technique. (China)
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Alice in Wonderland, written by kindergarden students as they learn the alphabet.
i mean really......
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yes carol williams it is, little do you know you just sold your soul to the devil!!!!
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THE LVCSD COMMUNITY WANTS A VOTE ON IB THIS MAY. STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS ON A PROGRAM FOR UNFORTUNATE CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS JUST WANT A FREE RIDE FROM THE TAX PAYERS. IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO TAKE IB THEN PAY FOR IT DO NOT BURDEN THE TAX PAYERS WITH YOUR ENTITLEMENT YOU HAVE BECOME A BUNCH OF WHITE TRASH PARENTS!!!!
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LV spends less money on IB than on BSK, the lawyer buddy of Jack and GF of his son. BSK did the union negotiation and paid to deal with Benstock, and more is coming. Just wait! It will soon be over the million dollar mark.
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Day Watcher
You are probably right about that.
However, IB costs are over the top and why should the tax payers pay for a kid to take so called rigorous classes so the parent can save a few bucks sending them to college.
IB is NOT a state mandated program, it only serves a small portion of students and it should be cut from the budget.
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Daywatcher,
What is BSK?? and what do you mean by "paid to deal with benstock"" ???? That just might piss me off!
And it takes an awful lot for that to happen!
Thank you Lisa i passed on your info to my friend!
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Anonymous, Lisa, ?
How can we get IB on the Ballot?
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http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
BSK is the name of the law firm and the lawyer from that firm that gets paid by LV is related to Jack Dolce (his son's Godfather). In addition to paying John Benstock still, LV is also paying this guy legal fees to handle the case.
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
You ask what seems a reasonable and fair question: How can we get IB on the ballot?
The answer is - you can't. That was the thrust of my Commissioner's Appeal. The decision determined that when it comes to curriculum, the Board of Ed is autonomous:
http://www.counsel.nysed.gov/Decisions/volume44/d15191.htm
This is why the last election was so important. Unfortunately, withe Hunderfund as Supt. and Jack Dolce a BoE President, you will not see a "recommendation" from the Supt. to the Board to "phase out" IB ...... UNLESS .... you all put the pressure on Hunderfund. If it came to a vote, I'd be willing to bet Bruno and the 3 newcomers would vote IB out. 4-3 would win the day. In order to get Hunderfund to make that recommendation, you must convince her that you WILL NOT PASS ANY TAX INCREASE OVER THE 2%!
You have the power. You have the time. And you know you have my support, should you choose to accept your mission.
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Anonymous,
You are right on. The more law suits the more lawyers make money. Nothing wrong with lawyers making money as long as it is not my dime.
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Anonymous,
You are right on. The more law suits the more lawyers make money. Nothing wrong with lawyers making money as long as it is not my dime.
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It is a small world. See the link below.
http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-i-2008-06-19-72686.113114_Harborfields_to_appeal_Supreme_Court_order.html
This lawyer friend of Jack Dolce was the one that represented Janet Ceperano Wilson to sue Harborfield and Michael Conte, the Harborfield spokesperson, is now our PR guy that gets paid over half a million dollars since Dolce became the BOE president.
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Hunderfund has said that for the past 20 years before she came to LV, she has been a strong AP person.
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You are not even close. I attend Board meetings and it is clear the three new BOard members are now strong IB advocates. Erika, as well, when Dr. McG makes IB presentations they are very, very impressive. I spoke with Maria, one of the three new Board members., and she is a big supportet.
Didn't your lackey George tell you this? You should call him and find out. What happened did he sell you out? IB has never been more firmly entrenched, regardless of what you, Penny and one or two other think.
George sold you out, George sold you out. Poor girl!!!
And the parents love it. I know I'm one. Read it and weep.
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I've heard those IB presentations at the BOE meetings are nothing but propaganda.
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You are right, Penny uses so many different names now, I am now not always sure who she is.
I am willing to now accept that others on this blog write as poorly as she, hard as that is to believe.
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So what made her change to IB?
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"I am willing to now accept that others on this blog write as poorly as she, hard as that is to believe."
LOL, you should get help with your writing skills as well!!! LACK OF!!!
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http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
Glad to hear that you are one of them!!!!
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Anonymous,
So is Lvsd paying benstocks legal fees? Aside from his pay? ( choke) (gag)
Cannot believe i even need to type that!!!
And BSK are NOT his attorneys?
WHEN WILL THAT WHOLE F&&$&@ mess end!!!
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HAHAHAHAHA
To all of my indoctrinated IB supporters.
Soon we will be able to take over this community.
On Friday nights we will meet in the Bayville graveyard to worship the IB god.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yes, There can only b one poor writer so please refer refer to your ALA handbooks prior to posting on this blog.
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LV pays Benstock salary because it is required to, LV pays the president's lawyer buddy because LV said it needs him to handle the Benstock case, LV pays Michael Conte, because LV says it needs a PR firm to handle it, and the best is tha my friend on the Boe told me Jack Dolce said he has to be the Boe president because only he knows how to handle the Benstock situation.
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Jack Dolce is a very successful business man and one of the best BOE presidents we have ever had. In his professional life he made made many friends and some of them are very capable professionals. If Jack can provide us an excellent attorney through his experiences, then it benefits us greatly. Believe me , Jack isn't in this for personal gain. He cares.
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Jack Dolce is a very successful business man and one of the best BOE presidents we have ever had. In his professional life he made made many friends and some of them are very capable professionals. If Jack can provide us an excellent attorney through his experiences, then it benefits us greatly. Believe me , Jack isn't in this for personal gain. He cares.
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I hear that the district came to an agreement with the secretaries union recently. Anybody else hear about it?
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http://www.fuckfrance.com/images/i267/221907.976ts_brown_nose_orig.jpg
^^^^^ Buzzy ^^^^^
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Yes, I heard that last week too, but have not been able to find out any details.
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Buzzy,
How do you know so much about Jack Dolce? He was sued for stealing ideas to form his own business more than one time. There is always a pattern. His lawyer friend used to represent a few school districts but now most of the others got rid of him.
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Who cares about Jack Dolce? You dolts re-elected him, you deserve him!
Now I wonder, has anything ever been done over the past decade to make sure Bayville and Locust Valley K-5 are receiving the SAME curriculum?
I would like to recommend a very low cost curriculum that is American born, apolitical and which "meets or exceeds the Common Core Standards"?
http://www.coreknowledge.org/
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What is going on here is ethics violation. The relationship was never fully disclosed before the guy was hired. On the other hand, who cared about an out of State curriculum? It is not aligned with New York State.
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He's a BOE hero...stars in his eyes
BOE hero....stars in his eyes
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In a town without a name, in a heavy downpour
Thought he passed his own shadow, by the school door
Like a trip through the past, to that day in the rain
And that love for himself, made his whole life change
Now he needs to keep on pushing, he just can't stop
Gotta keep on pushing, that BOE man has got to stay on top
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Suzi was in line for BOE President since 2008 but the BOE man said "I have to do it, you will be the President next year". Then it came 2009, he said one more year. Then it came 2010, he said he was the best person to deal with the union negotiation, next year will be you. Then it came 2011, he said he is the best person to handle the Benstock case, you will be next year. Well, let's see how many next years there will be.
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A very bitter person, one must wonder why?????
Who cares!!!!!!!!
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Little Jackie Dolce,
sitting on his throne,
used to scream at little boys,
now they all have grown,
It does no good to speculate,
what makes a man this way,
but makes us think Term Limits
might be more than just, okay!
There is no reason ANY BoE Trustee should be allowed to serve for more than two terms. Period.
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We all know Lisa's opinion of IB overall, and the TOK course, in particular. I listed just two of her hundreds of quotes below.
"IB is a scam. Get rid of it and stop short-changing our students"
The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student
I thought if might be interesting to get quotes from University officials on this issue. Seems the Deans of Admissions of the College of William and Mary, and Vanderbilt University feel very different.
"The rigor of the IB Diploma requirement meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible.... Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and creative learning and philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
Allison Jesse, College of William and Mary.
" I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate...There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad based love of learning.
William Shain, Vanderbilt University.
Interesting!
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Roll Tribe!!!!!!!!!!
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It is interesting to see how split the community is when it comes to IB. Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program? Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB? Do grads get the same amount of college credit with IB as opposed to AP? So confusing. Why don't more schools offer IB?
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LoL
Strange
Cannot wait for the BOE meeting thursday! Lets see how many people NON IB will show up with big mouths!!!!
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I like this one from Harvard.
"IB is well known to us for excellent preparation. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials on the IB Diploma Program on the transcript."
Marilyn McGrath, Director of Undergraduate Admissions.
Lisa, how can Harvard be so clueless?
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As much as Lisa has tried, the community really isn't split on IB. In fact, support for the program is stronger than ever and growing.
There are, perhaps three people on this blog, all of whom are anti IB, and probably one or two others.
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@Anon
"Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program? Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB?"
The LVCSD does not offer many AP classes. Instead of offering the class they tell the kids to sit for the AP test at the end of the year without ever taking the class.
The entire emphasis is on IB and not AP. They feel that just studying and memorizing facts does not allow children to critically think!!!! With IB the children are "challenged" to think out of the box!!!
The community does not want IB and the school district could care less. They need to cut costs but refuse to cut the IB program.
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didn't obomo go to harvard???
harvard=clueless
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this link will fully explain IB
lisa is not the only person that is "anti ib"
http://channelingreality.com/Niwa/IB_unraveled_040610.htm
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"International Baccalaureate programs may superficially appear to be a remedy for academic decline, but IB focuses on many “affective” goals (values, attitudes, and behaviors) that follow along the same continuum that instigated and resulted in the widespread decline of U.S. education. (For details, see the deliberate dumbing down of america . . . A Chronological Paper Trail by Charlotte T. Iserbyt. < http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ > Also go to the American Deception web site to find important and rare documents pertinent to changes in education, < http://americandeception.com/ >; see the Education category)."
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So today we read extremely positive post on IB by some of the top colleges and universities and there is not even one intelligent reply to why these leading institutional institutions so strongly endorse IB.
Why does Vanderbilt, a top 20 University, publicly praise IB by saying, quite frankly, that there in no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of educating students and inspiring a love of life long learning.
Why does Harvard, and MIT and the University of Michigan and Princeton and Duke and Stanford and Sara Lawrence and on and on sing such wonderful praise of the program?
What is the motivation of all these top universities?
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Lisa, you really are barking at the wrong tree. LV spends a lot more money on those unnecessary things than IB. Just heard from someone that BOE spent $28K on some consultant to form private foundation. My broker showed me this "Locust Valley is a very PRIVATE public school" brochure. I guess we are going private.
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Anon,
Are you still crafting imaginary pro-IB quotes? LOL
Another Anon asked:
Could someone tell me if the amount of AP classes have been lessened b/c of the IB program?
Absolutely. Pre-IB, LVHS offered 9 AP courses. LVHS now offers 3 AP courses. Districts like Syosset and Jericho offer in excess of 20 AP courses.
Are students still prepared for the AP exams ,or is the entire emphasis on IB?
The students who sat for the AP exams without the benefit of an AP course failed miserably. The emphasis is entirely IB.
Do grads get the same amount of college credit with IB as opposed to AP?
No. AP garners far more college credit than IB. Most U.S. universities do not recognize IB SL exams for college credit.
Why don't more schools offer IB?
1. Outrageously expensive
2. Inferior to AP
3. Extra layer of international bureaucracy
4. Controversial
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When was the last time LV had graduate admitted to Harvard?
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it was 9 years ago lv last had graduate admitted to dartmouth and in the same year to mit, 6 years ago lv last had graduate admitted to brown. none since. where is the ib advantage?
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Anonymous,
You mean the "quote" A VERY PRIVATE PUBLIC EDUCATION?? lol plzzzz http://www.lvcsd.k12.ny.us/Assets/documents/BROCHURE_032911.pdf here is the brochure they hand out to them their RICH folk!
Makes one want to choke just reading it!
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"Lisa, you really are barking at the wrong tree. LV spends a lot more money on those unnecessary things than IB. Just heard from someone that BOE spent $28K on some consultant to form private foundation. My broker showed me this "Locust Valley is a very PRIVATE public school" brochure. I guess we are going private."
Poor grammar!!!!
Blog rules: If you post on this blog you must use proper grammar. Please refer to your APA handbook prior to posting.
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"So today we read extremely positive post on IB by some of the top colleges and universities and there is not even one intelligent reply to why these leading institutional institutions so strongly endorse IB."
Poor Grammar
Please refer to your APA handbook prior to posting on this blog.
Why does Vanderbilt, a top 20 University, publicly praise IB by saying, quite frankly, that there in no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of educating students and inspiring a love of life long learning.
"Why does Harvard, and MIT and the University of Michigan and Princeton and Duke and Stanford and Sara Lawrence and on and on sing such wonderful praise of the program?"
Run on sentence, very embarrassing
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Actually, I do believe the very bright and talented Eric Padilla, Class of 2011, is attending Harvard. I also believe he was the student who individually and independently took 4 or 5 AP exams. Let's be clear. We have always had, and always will have, bright, dedicated, talented students who have in the past and will in the future, gain admission to Ivy League schools with or without IB.
The better question to ask is: In the 8 yrs. since LVHS was authorized as an IB World School (remember the nonsense about trying to change the name to Locust Valley Academy?) and after 8 years of being told, "ALL of the TOP school districts on LI are CLAMORING for IB"........... why is it
Jericho
Syosset
Cold Spring Harbor
Wheatley
Roslyn
Manhasset
Great Neck
Half Hollow Hills
AREN'T IB?????????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Why did Garden City and Glen Cove REJECT IB?
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Letter from Australian ex-pat oil Executive working in Bangladesh:
Dear Lisa,
Thanks for your time to write back! I see your website is con to IB but
at least you allow pro views on your website. You are fair with a
passionate con view.
You are so right it is a philosophy - "exploratory learning" on top of
that the basics are not taught they are expected to know a lot (i.e.
read, write, spell, etc.). Psychologists in Singapore have said that IB
schools require them to be achieving at the next grade level in their
current grade - which kind of defeats the purpose of the grade, e.g. In
Grade 1 they need to be showing Grade 2 level learning's/expectations.
Both these things are bad. Some of my kids do well or at least cope in
the IB, I don't really have a choice since IB is dominating the
International Schooling System. FYI, I am an Australian Expat working
overseas for an Oil and Gas company and plan to stay overseas. Thanks
for the website to Core Knowledge. I am exploring the option of home
schooling, exactly what I need!
I am slightly more con against after reading some more posts on your
website. I do hate exploratory learning, since it wastes time especially
inquisitive young minds that could take the whole class down a rabbit
hole... Such as 1 + 1 = 2, not 0.1 + 1.9 = 2 or square root of 4 = 2 or
-1 + 3 = 2. I think they need more of the disciplined "Army Approach"
and mean drill sergeant teachers? Can you imagine a drill sergeant
teaching IB style on how to shoot a gun?
AISD - American International School Dhaka of which my kids go to school
have only brought out IB PYP over 2 years. I asked the teachers if they
find it easier or harder than conventional teaching all agree that it is
harder to teach! And IB is not for the everyone as said by most teachers
at AISD.
The only thing I like about it is that is new and "maybe" a refresh of
the education system? And "maybe" re-invigorate and challenge the
teachers?
You may want to read a book "Freakonomics" or "Super Freakonomics" or at
least check out this website called www.freakonomics.com and see how
they use statistical data to drive to a good or bad outcome from a
neutral stance on various topics. I tried writing below in comparing AP
to IB if each were a casino game, of which you start from a neutral
stance and look at probabilities to beat the system, you would always go
AP. I also saw on your website in a posted note posted by a IB student,
in his year/grade AP students 30% of a class got A's vs IB students 10%
in another class got A's. Which help's prove the statistics if the same
material was covered and the teachers were comparable. Further if AP vs
IB on their ranking of 1-5 and 1-7 respectively is 25% vs 17% (given by
below purely statistical and not knowing anything).
[cont]
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[cont.]
The difference being
8% (AP better than I
10% in IB that got A's is 20%, IB is disadvantaged by 8% on a marking
scale or by chance if you will and AP's curriculum/teachers (or really
teaching style all things being equal) is an advantage of about 12% (20%
- 8%) better than IB!
Also studies show that physical exercise is linked to academic
performance (stress relief, oxygen to the brain, general health and
development, etc.) if kids are spending all the time studying in IB due
to the high work load then they are at a disadvantage!
Keep on what you are doing you are an inspiration and give IB a fair
account for what it is worth, I will try to work with the system to try
and change the IB system (by asking how much it cost, does the teacher
like teaching it, do parents like it, are the kids getting smarter or
dumber due to IB - show me proof, how are the teachers remunerated and
how is this link to IB performance, etc.).
Take care Daniel XXXXX (a concerned parent)
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Anonymous,
Are you ok?
Looking back at all your posts you seem to be jumping fences?? Incoherent? I am starting to get seriously concerned about you? Are you feeling ok? Do you need help? Maybe we can call a family member?
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
I wonder what happened to Imadoodiehead
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http://networkedblogs.com/u1lGr
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Lisa,
Oh my goodness Lisa, it seems you have been avoiding the issue, and spinning a lot of nonsense. Let's what the people who count think of IB-- you know the people who make admission decisions to the best colleges and universities. In particular, the comments I like concerns TOK and comes from the Dean at the College of William and Mary. Apparently, she doesn't realize that "The COURSE TOK is Marxi-t in origin. The whole idea is to undermine religion and make students question their familial beliefs and what they really "know". It is DESIGNED to promote relativism and create confusion in the mind of the student"
http://www.rasamn.org/curriculum/college-university-ib.html
“IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
“One of the advantages of an IB curriculum is its structure and quality. It is a coordinated program, well established, well known, and well respected. We know the quality of IB courses and we think the IB curriculum is terrific.”
Christopher Guttentag Director of Undergraduate Admission, Duke University
“Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
“The rigor of IB Diploma requirements meets our recommendation for the strongest high school preparation possible. The Extended Essay echoes William & Mary‘s belief in the value of original research as well as the College’s emphasis on strong writing skills, and the Theory of Knowledge course fosters active and critical learning and is philosophically akin to the goals of our freshman seminar program.
The CAS component answers our call for students who have been exposed to community service and creative endeavors and who understand the importance of developing the whole person. In sum, the IB diploma candidate who has met the challenge successfully receives strong consideration from the William & Mary admission committee.
Allison Jesse, former Associate Dean of Admissions, College of William & Mary
Advanced Placement and IB examinations for most highly selective institutions are the ‘gold standard’ in terms of quality and in terms of predicting success on our campuses.”
Dan Walls, Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Emory University
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Anonymous 1,
That was very "nice"! But most of the children AND parents believe bc of the lvsd when u take an IB course you will automatically get a free ride and credit when you go to college!
Unfortunetly that article not one of the colleges mentions credits for taking an IB Class!
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Anonymous1
poor grammar
@haveyouwalked
I just heard Anonymous was tragically struck by his own run on sentence. He didn't see it coming. All of those and's, one by one, just hit him so hard he suffered from multiple crushing wounds, fractured ribs and a broken heart. He also did n't get any chocolate for Valentines Day. It is very sad.
RIP Anonymous
it looks like Anonymous1 is here to replace you!!!!
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@Anonymous1
Quotes from an entertainment magazine, Newsweek, is NOT sufficient support for IB.
VOTE NO FOR IB
VOTE NO ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET
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As expected, not a single post to refute the high praise the top universities and colleges publicly furnish on IB.
Instead more of the same inane comments meant to deflect and side track the issue. I leave you with the following remark and ask again, Why does success in the IB program correlate so highly with success at Harvard.
“IB is well known to us for excellent preparations. Success in an IB program correlates well with success at Harvard. We are always pleased to see the credentials of the IB Diploma Program on the transcript.”
Marilyn McGrath Lewis Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Harvard University
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Anonymous 1,
Your link is laughable! Do you even realize what you linked? A private ELEMENTARY school in Minnesota that uses the same IB propaganda quotes to try and sell this crap product? Are you so stupid that you are unable to discern the difference between a private PYP and a public DP?
I guess you are.
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Anonymous1 = Anonymous = multiple personality disorder!!!
Still think we should call someone to help you!
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The quotes are the quotes. You refuse to deal with them, and as usual you deflect the issue. It doesn't matter who uses the quotes or where they are posted,
What matters are what the quotes say, and you have no valid response. You obfuscate and try and dance around the fact that the best colleges and universities highly respect and publicly recognize the excellence of the IB program, In so doing they contradict all the nonsense you spin.
You are out of business.
Now, I strongly disagreed with all you said and attacked your view and position without insulting YOU. Try responding without personal attacks.
Perhaps, you will find this quote more pleasing.
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
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Anonymous 1
"The quotes are the quotes"
And Alice in Wonderland is also FICTION!
"It doesn't matter who uses the quotes or where they are posted"
Really? What planet do you live on?
You are a propagandist. You have nothing but uncorroborated IB propaganda to spew. I have given you multiple opportunities to locate the original source of some of your fairy tales quotes. You have failed miserably.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
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Here's a special quote just for Anonymous 1:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
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Again, not sure what part of this you do not understand.
Quotes from an entertainment magazine are NOT sufficient support for IB
Who cares what someone said about IB that is just someones opinion.
Quotes...GARBAGE...RUBBISH
Please provide references from journals to support your case.
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Lisa,
Why am I not surprised to learn you read Goebbels.
While you understand the concept your execution would leave your mentor disappointed and exasperated.
To be fair however, I think your lie is just too big to be believed.
Hey, I think the quote from MIT below is great. Do you agree? My favorite part is Marilee describing IB AS THE BEST... Heck, she is only speaking for MIT, what does she/they know
Send us prepared students (like those from) IB . It is the ‘best’ high school prep curriculum an American school can offer.”
Marilee Jones, former Director of Undergraduate Admission, MIT
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@Anonymous1
oooo...obfuscate, big word. I see you are using your dictionary but not your APA manuel. Your posts are grammatically incorrect and incoherent.
“I have always been a supporter of the International Baccalaureate. It is a thoughtful and genuinely intellectual curriculum with an unusually high degree of integrity and connectedness. There is no other curriculum anywhere that does a superior job of both educating students and inspiring a true and broad-based love of learning.”
William Shain Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Vanderbilt University
I don't care who said this quote but this is just sh*t from some guys mouth. Anyone describing an educational program as "thoughtful" is a good BS artist.
"connectedness" this is laughable. Connectedness!!! connected to what??? More like DISCONNECTED!!!
SAY NO TO IBO
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Anonymous 1,
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.
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I was going to go to the BOE meeting tonight but I find this much more entertaining!!! It is also raining and I just feel like posting some quotes.
It is kind of a quote night.
@Anonymous1
got some quotes for ya quote dude
http://www.ibquotes.com
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"IB is like an abusive husband, you know you should leave but you can't because you have a life together even if that life occasionally beats you, calls you names, and makes you feel like killing yourself."- Jordan S.
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Quote #59
"You guys are data bulimics. You just swallow it and then spew it out for the test. It's disgusting."
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Oh, look!!!
I found the link where Anonymous1 found those "famous" FAKE quotes.http://jerome.dublin.k12.oh.us/IB/quotes.pdf
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an oldie but a goodie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-mjVUvG0M
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt-yas76TDw&feature=related
This is hilarious!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1iEK2h8wIc
TOK class!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaCk_pIC8-E&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3U--demvto&feature=related
TOK=meaningless
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IqgYoCvDbY&feature=related
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Anonymous,
Hey, great find on the source of those IB quotes "In their own words" ..... LOLOLOL .... exactly, IB makes up the words and assigns them to admissions officers .... pretty funny!
I have it on good authority that at the very least, IB will be on the list of items to be considered for cuts in the upcoming budget.
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IB is not the issue. Northport is an IB School and they are able to deal with the tax cap, espectially with pipeline money on the way. If they can do it, so should LV.
http://northport.patch.com/articles/board-asks-for-two-budgets
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From the comments following the above article in Patch (which, btw, is owned by the Huffington Post)
"Try to FOIL info from the district and see the runaround you get, if not a flat out, illegal denial. Look at the Committees within our district and they are "friends and family clubs" that go to great measures to keep out the folks who don't agree to go with the flow."
Why, that sounds EXACTLY like LVCSD! And what do they have in common?
IB!
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Lisa,
Embrace yourself. LV is going to use your tax dollars to pay BSK to sue NYS per BSK recommendation that tax cap is illegal.
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Anonymous,
Open House tomorrow at 15 Dickerson Ave, Bayville 1:00 - 3:00 PM!
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Lisa,
How much is your tax?
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Even the information is public, Lisa will never tell you. She totally lacks transparency.
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Lisa,
Who is this guy, what does he do?
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $130,643 2011
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $131,758 2010
(NYSTRS Member) Buonaspina, Robert $123,692 2009
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ibuyusedhouses,
Just under $9,000 inc. Village - over 1/2 acre of property, non-flood zone
Anonymous,
Why, Mr. B. is the IB Coordinator! You didn't KNOW that?
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"Even the information is public, Lisa will never tell you. She totally lacks transparency." Anonymous doofus
You mean the public information I had to FOIL every year because LVCSD refuses to share it on its website?
http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/iblocustvalleyny.html
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Lisa,
Thank you for the information. My son had him as a social studies teacher, is that the same guy?
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Yep. Nice man, short, stocky and balding. I've never bothered him for fear he would have a heart attack and I would be blamed for killing Mr. B.
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Lisa,
I'd like my son to move back here with their baby because of the school. Your taxes went from about $5K in 2005 to almost $9K now. Have you done a lot of improvement? At that rate, it will be $16K by the time their baby is in Middle School.
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ibuyusedhouses,
You can thank LVCSD for that tax increase. The only improvements we have made in the past 7 years have been replacement or interior work, no expansion of the footprint or addition of pool or central air. The house was built in 1905, hence the reason our taxes are as "low" as they are. Other homes on my block have taxes in the $12-14,000 range.
Our total taxes were $2,300 when we purchased the home in 1990.
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Now that Lisa's children have graduated she advocates for cuts to school services and a pay to play sports programs. Keep in mind, the district with our tax dollars paid over $22,000 to BOCES for special elite programs for her children. And as best I can tell, the district never charged her for her children's participation in school performances. NEVER. Now her thank you to current parents:
Transportation. Cut busing "Carpool. Walk. Ride your bikes. Everyone here claims to admire Europe so much - have you ever been to Amsterdam? Nobody drives a car, all bikes.
Sports. ... "pay to play, I would think the fund would have to be set up in a way that each sport would be the same fee - $100 per sport. Then LVCSD has to figure out how to manage each sport successfully on the budget provided. Football should not be given preference over say girls tennis or field hockey. Title 9."
Oh, and one last word fro Lisa "Stop WHINING" The nerve, pay back the $22k and we will.
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Anon,
After you pay back the $2+M that's been spent on IB over the past 10 yrs. to date.
And hey, why don't you go after the parents whose special needs children received hundreds in thousands of taxpayer and state money for their kids? How's that for a deal, you snarky, nasty, coward called Anon?
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Who said I endorse IB? There you go again deflecting.
I certainly do endorse aid for special needs children, yet you have the nerve to equate the responsibitity of a community to support those less fortunate, some with severe disabilities, to the elite courses taken by your children.
Almost beyond belief, you resent current students getting services as basic as transportation Why? And you have the nerve to tell their parents to stop whining. Yet you feel it your right to have these same parents pay $22k for your children to get special training.
This attitude is to say the least narcissistic and self centered.
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Anon,
"Yet you feel it your right to have these same parents pay $22k for your children to get special training."
Both Lisa's son and daughter took that ride to Syosset for that EXTRAcurriculum course at our expense. Is your $22K number for each or both?
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It is for both.
What is especially frustrating is Lisa calling for cuts to transportation. Her children were transported to their elite classes and community members (tax payees) didn' t ask them to ride their bikes to SYosset.
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Anon,
I too believe we do Not need all these buses riding around with 4/5 kids on them!
Seriously do you?
Is there no other way they cannot figure out how to full up those buses, especially in little ole bayville?
I bet we could cut 1/2 of those!
Lisa,
Are you serious about special ed?
Actually i was quite offended because as a taxpayer my right is for special services for a child with a disability!
NOT IB!! that is the BOE CHOICE!
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Haveyouwalkedthruthehalls,
No, I am not serious about having anyone "re-pay" the district for special ed services. I threw that back at Anon because I'm pretty sure Anon is one of the BoE Trustees whose special needs child received specialized services at a humongous cost to the district for decades from pre-K to age 21 and I'm sick and tired of this a$$wipe pointing out that my kids went 1/2 day to BOCES - NOT an elitist program, but one that suited their talents, in a way LVHS could not match.
Furthermore, my kids drove themselves to Syosset BOCES in their senior year and before they had cars, there were many times I drove them myself because the bus system was so ridiculous that they had to be picked up at 6:45 in the morning and wait at Jericho HS for a transfer in order to get to BOCES by 8:00.
Elite courses? My daughter, whom this district determined to be "gifted" in elementary school, was forced to take Regents level SS and English AT BOCES BECAUSE LVHS WAS TOO INCOMPETENT TO SCHEDULE AN AP COURSE IN THE AFTERNOON!
LVHS forced her into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
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Btw, the BOCES budget has been severely slashed. Dr. Chu consistently voted NO for BOCES as he held some sort of personal grudge against the system. Classified children have confidentiality protection but gifted kids do NOT in the state of NY. My son had a 504 Plan. Did you know that, Jack?
If Jack Dolce thinks this community is going to pass a budget that comes in over the 2% cap, he better see a shrink.
Do you know how many Bayville and LV Mommies drive their kids to school? LOTS! And having these school buses stop every 20' along Bayville Avenue? Ridiculous!
That reminds me. Does LVCSD still believe that seat belts on school buses are unnecessary because the kids hit each other with them? I recall having a lengthy discussion with Dickie Hurts about that, way back when. I see quite a few brand new buses. Would be a shame if children weren't seat-belted in. I mean, for God's sake, you have to have a booster seat in your car till your kid is 4'9" according to NY law (which I think is ridiculous). But no seat belts on our buses?
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Anon,
You want to mess with me, Jack? Are ya gonna run around to every newstand that sells The Leader and buy them all out again this year? LOL!
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I like to see Jackie run. Run Jackie, run! I'll have to time my LTE's to The Guardian, The Record Pilot, The Enterprise Pilot and the Leader appropriately.
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Wow, the truth really, really hurts.
You can attack whomever all you like. All you can do is deflect. The fact is the district paid a lot of money for your children to take ELITE classes, and I don't have to be on the BOE to know that or what it costs. The costs have been posted on the blog, although the amounts have varied, but it seems the $22k resonates with you.
You have tried to bully parents for years and now the gig is up. My agenda in not the budget but to expose you as the selfish, narcissistic person you are. Rant all you want, it verifies the point.
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Stop picking on Lisa it is deplorable how one person is given the brunt of the districts short falls. are you people so dumb as not to realizes that this "elite" boces program still exists and is currently being utilized by current LVHS students. you can call it elitist because you can't just opt in you have to apply and be accepted. some people just don't know when to quit. our district is plagued with problems, how about you take a long hard look and start fixing things and stop blaming Lisa, wow Lisa must be some powerful person that she has so many people running scared or the hate responses would cease.
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Thank you, LOL.
Actually, the Long Island High School for Performing Arts now only runs a morning session. You see, in its infinite wisdom, BOCES has decided to put a program for unwed mothers in place for the afternoon session.
The NYT wrote up an article quite some time ago about the Syosset BOCES being one of Long Island's "best kept secrets". Actually, I discovered it because the former Bayville Princessipal Norah Friedman sent her own son there and because Abbe Gross (LVHS' Musical Director) told my son he should be in the lighting design program.
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm.
My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
I think I did all right by my kids, and my kids have made me very proud.
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I disagree with Anon or Jack or whoever posted that the district paying for Lisa's children's BOCES program is wrong. I support the district paying for special talents children may have.
However, Lisa looks down from an angry perch condescendingly at the rest of us. She thinks her children are better than ours, and is upset, enraged and infuriated that her children had to mix with mine.
My children may not be as gifted as Lisa's but I love them as all parents love their children. The nerve to demean and describe half the students as she does below is arrogant, elitist and patronizing
Lisa said:
"LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Sorry Lisa half our children are not drunk and illiterate. They are just not as gifted as your children. We do our best and it is too bad your daughter had to be contaminated by the presence of average struggling students, like my son.
I am so angry and so, so tired of defending you.
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Anonymous,
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
And exactly WHEN did you EVER defend me? How extraordinarily LAUGHABLE!
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Well, there it is for all to see. You decide.
Lisa said:
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Anonymous,
You deny there is a drug and alcohol problem in LVHS? You think by changing the name of the Drug and Alcohol Committee to the Health and Wellness Committee those problems just magically disappeared? You think word doesn't travel in this little town as to who had an abortion? Really? Or do you support killing babies over sexual responsibility?
Just askin. I don't know you, I don't know who your kid is. My kids had friends of all different levels of cognitive abilities. My daughter co-founded the Gay-Straight Alliance at the HS, as well as the Culinary Club, two clubs which are still in existence. When we held a pre-prom party, we included a gay couple as well as a lovely young man with special needs who none of the "popular" LV kids were ever nice to. So don't accuse me of looking down my nose at somebody because they were "average".
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Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Hey Anonymous,
I'm sorry you are so intellectually bankrupt and jealous of my life that you have nothing better to do than copy and paste my posts. If I knew who you were, I'd pray for you.
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Again picking on Lisa, She must be the great and almighty not just powerful, you keep deferring back to her. At least her quotes are truth. I haven't walked the halls lately but not only are the kids drunk but stoned as well.And i have heard that from staff at good ole LV. along with the abortion stories.the truth does hurt. Stop blaming and FIX the problems at LVHS. You can't blame that on Lisa
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LOL,
Again, thank you. It's true. I haven't supplied any teenagers with booze or drugs, nor have I impregnated any LVHS floozies.
Speaking of Health & Wellness, this is an interesting story out of CT:
http://biggovernment.com/sberry/2012/02/18/connecticut-school-district-substitutes-health-and-wellness-programs-for-arts-and-music-curriculum/
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Anonymous wrote:
Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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"Lisa's direct quotes:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA."
I gathered based on the several postings from Lisa and the above direct quote, her childdren are natual genius but unfortunately ruined by the horrible Locust Valley education. Had they been home schooled, they would have been both IVY with 10.0 GPA. Sorry Lisa, the community let you down.
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Admin,
Please remove the personal attacks by Anonymous on myself and my children. This sort of spam needs to be moderated.
Thank you.
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mood-swings/201106/deleting-the-blog-bully
The admin of this blog should act responsibly by deleting the attacks from Anonymous...unless the admin is Anonymous!!!
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There is no attack, I merely copy YOUR DIRECT QUOTES. The community can review them and decide for themselves what they mean.
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she can give it but can't take it.
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Anonymous,
I wonder really are you and Adult? Because if you are, you need grow up and wake up!
Do you really think a majority of the kids in the school are not either drinking or doing some sort of drug?
If you think so YOU THEN are part of the reason why!
My middle schooler said one day oh so and so drinks! I said REALLY? she does?
Why? Does her mom know?
No!!!! Shes never home and when she is shes to busy buying her stuff!!!
Wow!!
So is she sitting home watching that dumb show 16 and pregnant?
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"they would have been both IVY with 10.0 GPA." ~Anonymous
ROTFLMAO! Okay, so Anonymous has demonstrated ZERO knowledge of what constitutes university GPA.
A 10.0 .....
LOLOLOLOL!
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This is not something that should be glossed over. People coming on the blog now who may not have seen the remarks about our students should see them. They they can decide. if they want they can review the posts from Saturday to get the complete context, although once you read the quotes I don't know what context is necessary. In particular, I wonder what mothers think of Lisa's description of "those sweet little LVHS girls"
Lisa's direct quotes, you decide:
Btw, my son earned his 4 yr. degree with a 3.0 from SUNY Purchase and is a senior lighting designer with a top NYC firm. My daughter graduated in 4 yrs. from NYU with a 3.7 GPA.
LVHS forced her (Lisa's daughter) into classes which were FAR below her ability where half the kids were drunk and would say, "Oh my gawd, what does that mean? How do you know dat chit?"
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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*yawn*
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Stop the blame, FIX the problems at LVHS, maybe Lisa's kids would be willing to come back and share their real success stories promoting the Boces programs open to all students. LV should be proud that they produced such great students.And Lisa's aren't by far the only ones, bizarre why that is implied. Her kids weren't the first and they won't be the last. So funny how Lisa keeps being deferred back to; way to give her validity with your running scared post Anonymous. Truth be told it is the middle of the road kids that get short changed at good ole LVHS
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When my daughter was a senior at BOCES, she served as a student representative who traveled to Albany to lobby for more State money for BOCES. Do you think LVCSD ever thanked her in any way shape or form for that? How many IB students have lobbied for funds to supplement the cost of IB to us taxpayers? Hmmmm?
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Lisa's statements about our students are disgusting. No one, except Lisa, posts to brag about their children, and certainly none post to degrade other students. What do you say Lisa, do you want to apologize for making the statement below or do you stand behind it?
Okay. Maybe not half. A third of the Regents level kids in LVHS are drunks. Better? Did I hit a nerve? Been noticing your liquor cabinet needs refilling faster that usual? How about all of the football keggers? You might want to check the abortion rate among those "sweet LVHS" girls. At least now there's a BOCES program where they might actually consider respecting LIFE instead of using abortion as birth control.
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Nicole/Anonymous,
*yawn*
"I'm like Martha Stuart without a rap sheet" ~Joan Rivers
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LOL...you hit the nail on the head
"LV should be proud that they produced such great students.And Lisa's aren't by far the only ones, bizarre why that is implied. Her kids weren't the first and they won't be the last."
ONLY IF THEY TOOK IB!!!!
Children can not be successful if they did not take IB...esp. Lisa's children that went to BOCES...that is unheard of!!!
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Maybe we can ask for a BOCES successful alum list. That will help to prove who is right.
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How about of LVCSD IB alum list instead.
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http://www.teaparty911.com/blog/the-ib-program-is-an-attempt-to-indoctrinate-our-children-by-socialist-organizations/comment-page-1/#comment-70
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http://www.fcps.edu/WestPotomacHS/Images/pdf/advanaced_academics/AP%20Scholar%20Press%20Release.pdf#xml=http://search.fcps.edu/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/webinator/search/xml.txt?query=AP+&pr=WestPotomacHS&prox=sentence&rorder=750&rprox=750&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=1&order=r&cq=&id=4cb1568819
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this programme sounds like the IB programme...hmm
http://www.european-freedom-initiative.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50%3Azombify-to-unify-european-schools-brainwashing-children&catid=41%3Aeu-news-france&Itemid=62
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/obama-imposing-national-school-curriculum
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IB WILL BE STAYING TOO MUCH LONGER!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zJwPQLto9A8
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based on public records, there were 156 lvcsd employees that made more than #100k in base salary in 2011, before over time or any benefits including health insurance. most of them are nine months employees. why did our boe sign off on such excessive deals?
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i should have mentioned that the 156 lvcsd employess that made over $100K in base pay in 2011 includes John Benstock, whose 2011 base salary was $117,959.
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Will the National Curriculum definitely remove IB?
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The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
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The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
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@ Anonymous wrote:
The Boces program for the arts in Syosset is wonderful. I also think it's underutilized by the LVCSD.
As wonderful as it may be, we cannot afford it at $22,000 plus busing a pop. If we send 50 students, that will be over one million dollars. A lot of things are nice, I like nice cars, nice boats, nice vacations. But if I am tight in money, I will just dream about it.
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@ Anon
But since the BOCES program is available, don't we owe it to our students to send them so they may benefit from it?
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@ Anon
And don't we owe it to ourselves to take advantage of it, since we’re already paying for it?
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"Will the National Curriculum definitely remove IB?"
YES, this curriculum is to standardize education across the board.
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Anon keep dreaming the Boces programs are available for those who are eligible just as the many thousands that get spent on children with special needs why should the gifted get the shaft. And BTW @ LVCSD we spend approx $28,000 per student. So dream on and take that vacation
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If the National Curriculum standardizes education across the board, then how will all of our children be served?
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OK, I"m confused. Is the BOCES program already in the budget whether or not we send students? I've heard that the district does not want students enrolled b/c they'd rather push them into IB.
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@ Anonymous
If the BOCES program is already in the budget regardless of whether we send children, then we should be sending our children, so they can benefit, and we don't waste the money being spent on the program.
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@ Anonymous
If the BOCES program is already in the budget regardless of whether we send children, then we should be sending our children, so they can benefit, and we don't waste the money being spent on the program.
It is NOT already in the budget. What is in the budget is the base BOCES fee, which does not include Syosset program. LV pays each student additional $22,000 to BOCES for the program and that is on top of the $30,000 per student cost.
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Anon is providing incorrect information. Each year, districts pay a quite hefty fee in the $250,000 range, as I recall, to participate in BOCES. That provides access to ALL of the BOCES facilities, such as the Rosemary Kennedy center or the Brookville Environmental BOCES.
The Syosset BOCES (Performing Arts) has been cut to only an AM session. When my children attended, the "tuition" a district paid BOCES for 1/2 day attendance was $8,500.
Prayers for the Colvin family. My HS friend Marie, a reporter for the Sunday Times in London, was killed by Syrian government rocket fire yesterday. You will be missed, Marie.
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@Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM Lisa wrote:
Anon is providing incorrect information. Each year, districts pay a quite hefty fee in the $250,000 range, as I recall, to participate in BOCES. That provides access to ALL of the BOCES facilities, such as the Rosemary Kennedy center or the Brookville Environmental BOCES.
The Syosset BOCES (Performing Arts) has been cut to only an AM session. When my children attended, the "tuition" a district paid BOCES for 1/2 day attendance was $8,500.
Not sure about the $250,000, which is hefty I agree. However, the $8,500 is on top of the hefty $250,000 fee. Is it not? Also, LV has to first pay the hefty $250,000, then it will have the "priviledge" to "only" pay another $8,500 per student. Is this accurate based on your numbers? Do you know if it is still $8,500 now or has it gone up?
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http://www.investigativeproject.org/3396/questionable-islamic-curriculum-in-classrooms
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Anonymous,
Tell ya what. When you master 3rd grade spelling, I'll try and help you understand the BOCES system.
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